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To: rosenfan
Young earth creationism ignores science by definition.

I'm not speaking of the question of whether or not there's a God. That question is outside the realm of science. I'm speaking of those who try to understand things such as biological diversity or the age of the Solar system through such myths as the Biblical flood or the account in Genesis.

Isn't it rather silly to try separating the idea of God - a creator - from science?

Your argument is akin to someone trying to understand the origin of a cake without ever having seen an oven. And when confronted with the idea, rejects it out of hand - because in their experience, ovens don't exist.

However, If God exists then Genesis is no longer a myth, it is a possibility - an answer. You can't say I'm studying biology, not God - if God is the source of all biology(!)

You might say that you accept that there is a god - just not the one that Genesis describes (he purposely created an illusion - not fair!). But how can you place constraints on a creator (how he is allowed to create)? "Can the pot say to the potter - 'why have you made me this way?'".

The Bible states that there is enough evidence in creation that points to the existence of God - and I for one accept this statement. Logic alone dictates that you don't get get the universe we see, life on this planet - as a result of blind luck and chance.

So you say "I reject Genesis". Well, I reject blind luck and chance. But I also assert that there is enough other truth in the Bible to give meaning and purpose to what we see in this world. The problem - what causes those who "know" - to stumble or at least stop - is that faith is required.

And all I can say is if you don't have faith - ask for it.

God Bless

273 posted on 08/27/2008 3:52:47 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno
Isn't it rather silly to try separating the idea of God - a creator - from science?

Not at all. The existence of ovens is testable and falsifiable.

Your argument is akin to someone trying to understand the origin of a cake without ever having seen an oven. And when confronted with the idea, rejects it out of hand - because in their experience, ovens don't exist.

Since the existence of ovens (as opposed to God) is testable and falsifiable, such a conclusion would not be reached.

However, If God exists then Genesis is no longer a myth, it is a possibility - an answer. You can't say I'm studying biology, not God - if God is the source of all biology(!)

Maybe an invisible dragon is the source of all biology. See:
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jcosta3/article_dragon.htm

If you're taking it on faith, it's not science.

You might say that you accept that there is a god - just not the one that Genesis describes (he purposely created an illusion - not fair!). But how can you place constraints on a creator (how he is allowed to create)? "Can the pot say to the potter - 'why have you made me this way?'".

What illusion? In any case, there are no "sacred cows" in science. Anything can be questioned...which is just as it should be. If the evidence doesn't support an assertion, it should be rejected.

The Bible states that there is enough evidence in creation that points to the existence of God - and I for one accept this statement. Logic alone dictates that you don't get get the universe we see, life on this planet - as a result of blind luck and chance.

Logic dictates no such thing. Here's a list of logical fallacies commonly associated with those who reject evolution:

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp

You seem to be employing #7: Confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable.

So you say "I reject Genesis". Well, I reject blind luck and chance. But I also assert that there is enough other truth in the Bible to give meaning and purpose to what we see in this world. The problem - what causes those who "know" - to stumble or at least stop - is that faith is required.

I think your argument falls completely apart at this point. You've been speaking about the definition of science, and you're now asserting that faith is required. Faith is the antithesis of science.

And all I can say is if you don't have faith - ask for it.

Why? The universe is being investigated by those who use the scientific method, and it works. Faith (for these purposes) doesn't.

God Bless

Thank you.

295 posted on 08/28/2008 9:54:57 AM PDT by rosenfan
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