[null and void]

It isn't clear to me.

It looks like you are ignoring the 14th amendment. Would a 100% loyal American who loves this country beyond all else not count if he was born in Miami, and his parents were Cuban?

That's what you said, isn't it?

That isn't what the constitution says. Even without the 14th amendment.

Natural born is never defined.

“a citizen..., at the time of the adoption of this Constitution.”

So to be president you'd need to be 225 years old? Tough crowd...

[Weya]

“It looks like you are ignoring the 14th amendment. Would a 100% loyal American who loves this country beyond all else not count if he was born in Miami, and his parents were Cuban?”

Ahhh. Now we’re getting into the territory of whether illegal alien’s children should be granted citizenship.

In a word “no”.

Special dispensation is made for Cuban exiles, and the argument can be made that they ARE U.S. Citizens.

“That’s what you said, isn’t it? “

No, not at all.

“That isn’t what the constitution says. Even without the 14th amendment. “

What isn’t what the Constitution says? You asked me to define “natural born” (citizen), and I told you how I would define it.

“Natural born is never defined. “

Except by half a dozen different government agencies. Immigration has rules about citizenship, DOD adopts those same rules, the State Department probably has their own rules. In them, they probably don’t have a glossary, but they have rules governing it.

““a citizen..., at the time of the adoption of this Constitution.”

So to be president you’d need to be 225 years old? Tough crowd...”

Yeah, especially for vaccuous twits.

I’m sorry you think that’s what that means. I can only hope you’re just pretending to be that inane.

[bossmechanic]

The ramifications of no eligibility is a torpedo.
The fraudulent documents and representation is a 20mm shell.
The Ayers connection is a 50BMG.
Keep up the good fight.

[Citizen Blade]

I think you two are talking past one another. The Constitutional provision that mentions "a citizen..., at the time of the adoption of this Constitution" is irrelevant these days. It was just meant to clarify that, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, anyone who was then a citizen of the US qualified as a "natural-born citizen" for purposes of serving as President. At that time, the large majority of American citizens had been British citizens from birth, since the US had not yet been formed. This provision was meant to prevent them from being disqualified from the Presidency.

But this provision is irrelevant to our discussion here.

[El Gato]

So to be president you'd need to be 225 years old? Tough crowd...

I do believe there is an "OR" in there. :)