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Guns and Suicide in the United States
The New England Journal of Medicine ^ | September 4, 2008 | Matthew Miller, M.D., Sc.D., and David Hemenway, Ph.D.

Posted on 09/03/2008 6:58:42 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

From memory; Murders by firearm and suicides by firearm are about the same percentage.


21 posted on 09/03/2008 7:25:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: neverdem

Looks like these dweebs could use a critique of their poorly researched article.

David Hemenway, PhD
Director, Email: hemenway@hsph.harvard.edu

Matthew Miller, MD, MPH, ScD
Associate Director, Harvard Injury Control Research Center Email: mmiller@hsph.harvard.edu


22 posted on 09/03/2008 7:27:54 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Skibane
The recent Supreme Court decision may lead to higher rates of gun ownership. Such an outcome would increase the incidence of suicide.

These stupid b@$t@rds don't seem to know about the studies that have been published that it's WILL POWER that causes the suicide, not the instrument. Guns don't CAUSE suicide, they're an instrument of suicide. Scientists who don't understand cause and effect? Sure glad none of these G-d D@mned idiots are my physician. Or, as you put it:

In gun-free Japan, the per-capita suicide rate is several times that of America.

23 posted on 09/03/2008 7:28:58 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower

Bang List ping


24 posted on 09/03/2008 7:34:09 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: B4Ranch

I realize things have got to be pretty rough for a person to take their own life, but I tend to get a bit angry with folks who use a gun.

I know two brothers who did this about 15 years apart. Both had families and both shot themselves in their homes. This leaves a horrible visual scene for their families to discover. One of the brothers laid out a sheet, sat down on it and shot himself in the head. He must have watched too much TV and thought he’d have just a tiny hole and maybe a pool of blood, but in reality, he did have a tiny little hole at the entrance and a huge gaping exit hole where it blew bone, skin and brain matter all over the walls for his family to clean up.


25 posted on 09/03/2008 7:34:28 PM PDT by umgud
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To: webstersII

Thanks for the addies.


26 posted on 09/03/2008 7:40:24 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

“People shouldn’t be allowed to kill themselves. That is practicing medicine without a license!”


27 posted on 09/03/2008 7:44:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Texas Eagle

I am pretty sure that more than 46 murders AND more than 46 rapes are prevented by the potential victim packing heat. And that does not even factor in would be assaults, cougar and bear attacks (especially jogging in California). Thus by the harm NOT committed, guns should be kept.


28 posted on 09/03/2008 7:46:51 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: DBrow

Thanks for the links.


29 posted on 09/03/2008 7:54:58 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

From Medscape Today (date unknown):

“SUICIDE
The overall physician suicide rate cited by most studies has been between 28 and 40 per 100,000, compared with the overall rate in the general population of 12.3 per 100,000.[1] Overall, then, physicians are more than twice as likely as the general population to kill themselves. Each year, it would take the equivalent of 1 to 2 average-sized graduating classes of medical school to replace the number of physicians who kill themselves. This rate appears higher than among other professionals.[2]”

Perhaps the JAMA should examine their own problems.


30 posted on 09/03/2008 7:55:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: digger48
Good thing my brother didn't have a gun when in 1975 he had a psychotic break walked ran out of my families home. My Mom called the cops to find him. While on the phone she heard the LIRR train down the street sound the air horn. my brother had walked up the hill to the track and threw himself in front of the train. For the four previous years he was in and out of the hospital for schizophrenia
. Finally I guess he couldn't take it any more and the meds weren't working. I was stationed over at Kbay when the OOD came and notified me. If some one wants to kill themselves, they will find away.
31 posted on 09/03/2008 8:03:07 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: Past Your Eyes
People kill people.

Doctors kill people.

32 posted on 09/03/2008 8:06:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The beauty of conservatism, Sarah Palin.)
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To: neverdem

THE QUITTER

When you’re lost in the Wild, and you’re scared as a child,
And Death looks you bang in the eye,
And you’re sore as a boil, it’s according to Hoyle
To cock your revolver and . . . die.
But the Code of a Man says: “Fight all you can,”
And self-dissolution is barred.
In hunger and woe, oh, it’s easy to blow . . .
It’s the hell-served-for-breakfast that’s hard.

“You’re sick of the game!” Well, now, that’s a shame.
You’re young and you’re brave and you’re bright.
“You’ve had a raw deal!” I know — but don’t squeal,
Buck up, do your damnedest, and fight.
It’s the plugging away that will win you the day,
So don’t be a piker old pard!
Just draw on your grit; it’s so easy to quit:
It’s the keeping-your-chin-up that’s hard.

It’s easy to cry that you’re beaten — and die;
It’s easy to crawfish and crawl;
But to fight and to fight when hope’s out of sight —
Why, that’s the best game of them all!
And though you come out of each gruelling bout,
All broken and beaten and scarred,
Just have one more try — it’s dead easy to die,
It’s the keeping-on-living that’s hard.

Robert Service, 1907


33 posted on 09/03/2008 8:23:38 PM PDT by dsc
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To: JimC214
As a schizophrenic your brother lived in a world often dominated by terrible hallucinations. Your brother, God bless him, wasn't responsible for his actions. In the last 30 years medications for psychosis have improved.
34 posted on 09/03/2008 8:40:03 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: neverdem
When my family physician gave me a form with a question about guns, I challenged her on why they needed to know that information, and then told her I was much safer with a gun in the house.

She backed down immediately.

35 posted on 09/03/2008 9:12:21 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: neverdem

This was “debunked” years ago. Why hasn’t this guy done his homework?


36 posted on 09/03/2008 9:14:18 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: anonsquared
"Want to drive the MSM crazy? Buy as many guns as you can afford between now and November. That should get them thinking."

Naw, I've been doing that fer years and it hasn't worked yet!

37 posted on 09/03/2008 9:26:35 PM PDT by Redbob (via Chrome - and it works just fine with FR!)
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To: neverdem

This journal has for a very long time as a matter of editorial policy been pro-actively opposed to our exercise of the rights secured under the Second Amendment.


38 posted on 09/03/2008 9:37:56 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: neverdem
“many suicidal acts — one third to four fifths of all suicide attempts, according to studies — are impulsive.”

Let's convert those typed NUMBERS to digits: between 33.3% & 80%.
With that large a variance, at the beginning of the study, the rest must be, at least, 46.7% JUNK.

39 posted on 09/03/2008 9:51:34 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: anonsquared

The gun store I frequent has had a lot of new customers come in for a hand gun. Many say it’s because they aren’t sure the next president will allow such purchases. They want one now while the purchase is still allowed.

Allowed? A Constitutional right is a right above a law and a government. Infringement of the right is a call to tell those who would govern us to back off.


40 posted on 09/03/2008 10:05:42 PM PDT by RicocheT
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