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Gustav revives question: Is New Orleans worth it?
AP ^ | 02 Sep 2008 | Laura Jakes Jordan

Posted on 09/04/2008 1:28:31 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: BGHater

Short term, yeah, probably.

Long term?

What is the geological disposition of the area?

Sinking?

Already below sea level right?

Choice will be made by nature eventually.


21 posted on 09/04/2008 2:05:05 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: BGHater

We have as a country greatly depended on the Mississippi and its tributaries for transport. NO is a very important port. Keeping NO operable is a national security issue for the United States.


22 posted on 09/04/2008 2:05:17 PM PDT by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: Nervous Tick
"If they answer “yes” — and I don’t blame them if they do — then it is THEIR sole and complete obligation to pay the cost themselves.

It is NOT the duty of the federal taxpayer to pay for the construction of their city."

Yes exactly! This is the same as all those that build those homes down on the beach in NC, SC & Georgia and when just a tropical storm comes and the surf is high enough or even a storm surge, they're washed out into the Atlantic. Owners expect to get storm insurance or Federal help to rebuild in the exact same place. It's nuts, but if you must have you beach house with the Atlantic view, then they should not expect taxpayer's money to pay for it. Or, even other homeowner's insurance to rise because those that build their homes on the beach.

23 posted on 09/04/2008 2:07:42 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: BGHater
Being Dutch of a part, I might say yes, but being also part Scot-Irish a man sees sometimes it is time to move, and to move a whole city if need be, and have no regrets doing so.

If we as a country are in a mature stage where we can say "No regrets, move that city to higher ground and throw off vain things" ... We can do it. But not til then.

24 posted on 09/04/2008 2:12:08 PM PDT by bvw
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To: trumandogz
The Feds should set a standard that if your town or home floods more than twice in 20 years that your home and town will not be rebuilt.

Why even put a time limit on it and, if you do, why not 100 years like they do with the "100 year flood plain" imposed on many insurance policies? I'm not purposely picking on NO. I oppose ANY public funds used to rebuild private property unless it is self-funding, and even then I'm suspect. I don't believe the gov't should even be in the insurance business (the national flood insurance program), or making business loans (SBA), or any other business activity. Other than providing social overhead capital (e.g., a public road system, legal system, etc.) and national defense, I don't see the gov't engaging in any of these types of businesses.

25 posted on 09/04/2008 2:14:22 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: BGHater
Is New Orleans worth it?

Not as far as I am concerned.

26 posted on 09/04/2008 2:15:41 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: BGHater

New Orleans is N O T worth it. It’s outrageous that taxpayers bail out this city over and over and eventually it will be destroyed completely anyway. It’s outrageous that we waste so much money that is badly needed elsewhere for so many other causes than saving a doomed city.


27 posted on 09/04/2008 2:17:39 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: trumandogz
We can bulldoze New Orleans right after we bulldoze the towns along the Mississippi River in Missouri. Illinois and Iowa the have flooded multiple times over the last 20 years.

Instead of bulldozing them, why not just set a limit as to how much money the federal government will give a city/town over a certain period of time for recovey from disasters.

28 posted on 09/04/2008 2:20:13 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Nervous Tick

It is NOT the duty of the federal taxpayer to pay for the construction of their city.
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Same thing as saying no, it’s not worth it. The taxpayers of New Orleans couldn’t even support themselves so I think we can forget them saving their own city.


29 posted on 09/04/2008 2:20:22 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: econjack

I say not another dime until NO cleans its own house first.
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That’ll never happen as they keep electing the same crooks over and over again.


30 posted on 09/04/2008 2:23:25 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: econjack

The scary thing is that it’s not a matter of “didn’t bother to insure it”. Many of them DID insure it, but the only insurance available is the federal government’s taxpayer-funded flood insurance system. In a few cases (like the midwest farm belt) there may be a legitimate reason for federal subsidy of flood insurance. Severe flooding is fairly infrequent in that part of the country, and is NEVER accompanied by complete helplessness of the local residents. And the flooding is due to the very flat geography which is simultaneously of critical importance to the agricultural productivity of the area, whose agricultural products are of critical importance to the entire nation. There’s nothing productive going on in New Orleans that couldn’t be done as well or better in a location not prone to catastrophic inundation. Only the adjacent shipping channel and ocean and river ports are legitimate economic activities of national importance, and they’re mostly located above sea level and clearly profitable to the nation to keep open.


31 posted on 09/04/2008 2:26:10 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Joan Kerrey
...they keep electing the same crooks over and over again.

I'm afraid you're right. Alas, it happens all the time. Look at Ted Kennedy...talk about getting away with murder and still getting reelected every time. And is there anyone who really believes Vince Foster committed suicide on the eve of testifying against the Clintons? Or that Ron Brown's plane "malfunctioned" just before he was to testify? Politics is a slimy, and dangerous, business.

32 posted on 09/04/2008 2:27:51 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
It's my understanding that you could buy private flood insurance in NO before Katrina hit, but most did not because it was so expensive. As to the federal insurance program, I just don't favor the gov’t being in the insurance business. If they do insist on it, then they should set premiums so that it's self-funding. No federal tax dollars should be used.
33 posted on 09/04/2008 2:32:28 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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And is there anyone who really believes Vince Foster committed suicide on the eve of testifying against the Clintons?

What?

I don't recall that.....

Educate me.

34 posted on 09/04/2008 2:32:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: BGHater

The Port of New Orleans is absolutely vital to this nation an needs to be protected and, if necessary, rebuilt.

The City of New Orleans is a mistake that nature keeps trying to correct. We need to let it go and build on higher ground (above sea level, at least!).


35 posted on 09/04/2008 2:34:34 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: Osage Orange
Just goolge it and read what you find. If you can, find the photos of how the gun was held in his hand when he shot himself. If you take your right hand and push your thumb into the trigger guard from the right-hand side of the gun, that's how he was found. In other words, he had to pull his entire hand backwards in order to use his thumb to fire the weapon, while pointing it at his head. On top of that, there was not enough blood at the scene to match the injury, suggesting that he was dropped there. Finally, the Clinton's had his office cleaned out of all of his papers at 10PM the night that he committed “suicide”. You can get the details from google.
36 posted on 09/04/2008 2:45:06 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: BGHater
The answer is simple = NO.

If I were to wait until low tide, walk out 28 feet BELOW SEA LEVEL and build a 2 million dollar house before the tide came it, people would call me crazy! I also would not be able to get a bank loan for the building project OR home owners insurance on the house. To top it off, when the tide came back in and washed it all away, no one in their right mind would pay me a red cent to pay for the loss or to rebuild again. What I have described are the cold hard FACT concerning New Orleanes. So why in the world are the American tax payers being forced to rebuild it? The whole area should be written off and abandoned. It would be cheaper and more fiscally responsible to build everyone there a free home in a NEW location that is ABOVE sea level that it is to keep pouring money down the toilet.

37 posted on 09/04/2008 2:55:01 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: Jmouse007

Sorry for the spelling errors; I am just so steamed over the fiasco that is NO that I failed to properly check it before posting.


38 posted on 09/04/2008 2:59:16 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: BGHater

N.O. is definitely worth saving. If we don’t keep it, right where it is, the N.O. population will move somewhere else... maybe even into our own neighborhoods.

If for no other reason, we have to keep N.O. on the map. Every time the residents are evacuated, some poor city/town/etc has its crime rate triple.


39 posted on 09/04/2008 3:04:58 PM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: econjack
All that I know.....what I questioned was..you said Foster was on the "eve of testifying against the Clintons"....That, I don't recall.
40 posted on 09/04/2008 3:09:03 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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