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1 posted on 09/08/2008 9:54:54 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Ping!


2 posted on 09/08/2008 9:55:24 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Does the other side really have the cash? Or is this $1T that is “out of the money?”


3 posted on 09/08/2008 10:01:34 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Palin for President! (Who was that old fogey she was with?))
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I’ve read an article saying that the likely cost of the bailout will be $2.5 trillion and at least $1.3 trillion.

Glenn Beck had someone on tonight saying $2.7 and $1.3 trillion respectively.

This is going to be a fun ride. For anyone who doesn’t know, $2.7 trillion is roughly the amount the government spends per year already.


4 posted on 09/08/2008 10:02:25 PM PDT by djsherin
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Depending on the CDS reactions, this bailout could turn out to be the biggest financial disaster of all time. I wonder how this will affect Collateralized Debt Obligations; I assume CDOs are closely related to the CDS market, but not entirely sure how.


5 posted on 09/08/2008 10:05:00 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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So how many normal people were helped out by this bit of corporate welfare.


6 posted on 09/08/2008 10:08:55 PM PDT by Tempest (The devil and the media have sided with Obama)
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Just the beginning. Extreme leverage in derivatives. Unknown dependencies to fall out of the sudden shock to the system. Quants never figured in that FNM and FRE would go bankrupt.


11 posted on 09/08/2008 10:35:25 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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A great big house of cards is about to come down. The treasury just pulled a couple of floor level players.


12 posted on 09/08/2008 10:39:59 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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The U.S. government's seizure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has triggered more than $1 trillion of credit default swaps tied to the mortgage giants.

The scariest words in the English language are: "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help."

I have a bad feeling about this. A very bad feeling.

15 posted on 09/08/2008 11:05:29 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (No amnesty for McCain.)
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“The International Swaps and Derivatives Association said in a memo on Monday that 13 major credit default swap dealers unanimously agreed that a credit event had occurred .”

Another bunch of money grabbing sobs trying to cash in. Ok, I have 50 major credit default dealers who unanimously agreed that a credit event did not occur. We will get our lawyers together and talk about it for the next 100 years; at which time, a trillion dollars will be worth a buck ninety five and the debt will be settled!

16 posted on 09/08/2008 11:10:38 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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Welcome to the Socialist States of America where nobody is allowed to fail.


17 posted on 09/08/2008 11:14:10 PM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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The U.S. government's seizure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has triggered more than $1 trillion of credit default swaps tied to the mortgage giants.

Perhaps Juan should have realized the potential for unintended consequences (!!!) when he advocated a taxpayer-funded FNM/FRE bailout.

But, of course, why should the politician care, since he won't have to pay for any of the damage? And, he still gets votes!

18 posted on 09/08/2008 11:22:18 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (No amnesty for McCain.)
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Economics not being my bag, I'm taking away two recurring themes from this crisis.

1. Government bailout is going to be horrifically expensive. ("Horrific" not even really scratching the surface of how bad it really is.)

2. No government bailout could wind up being even worse.

3. No one has any other options.

Am I missing something, or are we just catastrophically screwed at this point? It seems that the damage has already been done, and that sans some amazing developments in time travel technology, we can't undo a bit of it. As much as I'd like to jump on McCain and Obama about this, I don't really know what else they are supposed to do?

20 posted on 09/08/2008 11:35:36 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (The diamonds in Sarah Palin's earrings were crushed with her very hands.)
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Capitalism is the new Socialism!! Whoo-hoo!!!


22 posted on 09/08/2008 11:40:10 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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Okay, Congress and President. If they're "too big to fail", why are they so big?

What are you going to do about it you pieces of *bleep*? Suck more blood from us?

Bunch of corrupt incompetents.

24 posted on 09/08/2008 11:56:15 PM PDT by FlyVet
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I think I understand much of this, but I don't understand the leverage they got on the loans. It seems astronomical to me to put up a few bucks and control millions in loans. Then if a few go bad, the whole world is leveraged 10 fold? I don't get what they were buying and selling and I trade options every day. If you took a neighborhood or 2 of loans and and a couple went bad, how would that bankrupt the whole world? Only 2% of loans are in default.

Hold it! My brain is leaking fluid. I've even done CMO's in the past, but I guess I didn't understand the risk. For the results to have been so horrific, I just don't see that is that bad out there.

Lets say you buy a house for $300 a sq ft, that was $100 a sq ft last year. When the loan resets, you lose the house, the bank takes it and sells it for $125 a sq ft. It's still not ZERO! Even if they get $90 a sq ft, its still not worthless. Take the write down and get on with bidness. We must have loaned money to every wino and illegal alien in Mexico to lose this much money. I don't get it.

29 posted on 09/09/2008 12:25:17 AM PDT by chuckles
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I sold my family’s sizable positions in PIMCO 6 weeks ago not knowing jack that this was coming.

Gross has sure turned whiner trying to save his bacon.


32 posted on 09/09/2008 12:38:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama/Pol Pot 2008)
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This default has gone down, so far, amazingly smoothly and quietly.

One has to suspect that whomever had the losing side (a) had the money, and (b) had reason not to complain.

Perhaps the loser was us.

See MISH'S Global Economic Trend Analysis: Big Non-Event In Fannie, Freddie Credit Default Swaps for further explanations of what's going on here, and why it might blow over so quietly.

46 posted on 09/09/2008 7:24:00 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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So just how bad is this?


58 posted on 09/09/2008 3:37:23 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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