LOL What you mean is that you cut and pasted a quote from somewhere on line.
Actually I didn't cut and paste my calculation for apparent angular displacement due to secular aberration. I did double check your claimed 150MPS (not hours as I absent mindedly typed last time [grin]) on a couple websites, but then I calculated all the rest myself based on the speed of light, the distance of 1AU, and the 150 miles/second, and so on.
What was my untrue claim? I simply claimed that apparent position does not equal actual position.
That's a lie - you didn't
simply claim -- you claimed much more then that!
you said LOL The 2.1 degrees is is exactly related to the light-time correction and the distance of the earth from the the sun. If the Sun was closer the angle would be smaller, and if the sun was further away the angle would be larger.
You saidThe 20 arc seconds you are talking about is the displacement of the suns masses orbit around the barycenter. It is not due to stellar aberration.
You're just outright wrong here - see
here or do your own research - but Stellar Aberration is unquestionably do the the observer's transverse velocity and is about 20 arcseconds.
You said: The suns actual position and gravitational position do line up. The apparent position doesn't though, it is off by 2.1 degrees ...
And in case you might say that I was just confused, that's not possible either because I have been continually telling you things
like:But you claimed that the angular displacement between the sun's gravitational pull and optical position is 2.1 degrees, at any given instant, without waiting 8.3 minutes!
(I have told you many many times things along those many times. If you doubt I will gladly provide more links.)
In any case, not only are you claiming that the apparent angular displacement of the sun is 2.1 degrees but you have been claiming that it was due to the fact that the earth rotates 2.1 degrees in the time it takes light to fly the 1AU.
Furthermore, I have made it unquestionably clear that that's what I thought you were saying, and at no point did you come out and say "That's not what I'm saying."
So you've been claiming 2.1 degrees and I've been telling you that I understand you to be claiming 2.1 degrees at any given instant for an observer on earth.
You may change your mind but there is no question that you have been communicating by what you said and by what you didn't say that the sun is apparently angularly displaced by 2.1 degrees due to the fact that the earth rotates 2.1 degrees in the 8.3 minutes it takes the suns light to reach the earth, for an observer on the earth at any given instant in time.
Are you saying that you were wrong, or are you standing by your longstanding claim that if one had a gravity meter which would tell the exact actual position of the sun that it would (for an observer on the earth at any instant in time) read 2.1 degrees ahead of a regular sundial?
And no I am not going to do the math to show that either. I am simply trying to goad you into getting an education : )
Are you trying to goad me into getting an education by telling me lies and making me debunk them, thereby learning the truth? You're certainly not (on average) teaching me anything true by any other means. I'd really appreciate honesty though. I'm more or less ignoring your question about the increase of mass with light-speed velocities because I'm well aware of derailing tactics and this looks like one. And besides if we can't figure out a simple geometry then think how lost we could get with lightspeed weights.
-Jesse
Actually I didn't cut and paste my calculation for apparent angular displacement due to secular aberration. I did double check your claimed 150MPS (not hours as I absent mindedly typed last time [grin]) on a couple websites, but then I calculated all the rest myself based on the speed of light, the distance of 1AU, and the 150 miles/second, and so on. My point was that you did the calculations before you found out that the Sun was moving at over 500,000 mph. Do you also know that the galaxy that the Earth is orbiting is itself orbiting the center of the Universe at a great speed? Did you know that most of the stars that you see in the sky are galaxies?
In any case, not only are you claiming that the apparent angular displacement of the sun is 2.1 degrees but you have been claiming that it was due to the fact that the earth rotates 2.1 degrees in the time it takes light to fly the 1AU.
That is essentially correct, the Earth rotates about 2.1 degrees in the time it takes light to get here from the Sun.
Are you saying that you were wrong, or are you standing by your longstanding claim that if one had a gravity meter which would tell the exact actual position of the sun that it would (for an observer on the earth at any instant in time) read 2.1 degrees ahead of a regular sundial?
You seem hung up on this 2.1 degrees that you calculated, it isn't a constant.
Are you trying to goad me into getting an education by telling me lies and making me debunk them, thereby learning the truth? You're certainly not (on average) teaching me anything true by any other means. I'd really appreciate honesty though. I'm more or less ignoring your question about the increase of mass with light-speed velocities because I'm well aware of derailing tactics and this looks like one. And besides if we can't figure out a simple geometry then think how lost we could get with lightspeed weights.
I don't think that you are capable of learning anything new that contradicts your mental map.