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Fichori is a creationist. He believes the Earth is the center of the Universe, that it is surrounded by water and that God made the Earth 6000 years ago. Then God flooded the Earth 4000 years ago with that water that the earth is surrounded by (rain from heaven).

I had already figured that out... ;)>

I just like to point it out for those who may still misunderstand the bigger issue.

I understand the objections to TOE by many evangelical fundamentalists and those of other faiths (including many Muslims BTW) based on their religious beliefs and their interpretations of scripture and I really don’t want to denigrate or belittle their religious faith only because I don’t hold the same religious view.

But on the other hand I want to point out that this is just the kind of thing that some (perhaps many) YEC fundamentalists would also have taught in public school or university science class rooms.

It is one thing to rationally and scientifically question or debate TOE or to even bring up Creationist or ID theories as topics of general theoretical and philosophical debate along side of the TOE, but then it’s quite another thing to teach as hard science, an Earth centered solar system and Universe, a 6,000 year old earth, the Great Flood of Noah’s time in place of plate tectonics and volcanism, a flat earth, dino’s walking along side humans, any fossils that don’t fit the Bible are fakes, etc. etc, etc. because it is based solely on their interpretation of a religious text and the OT book of Genesis in particular.

Some religions have scripturally based objections to blood transfusions and all pharmaceuticals or in eating pork or shell fish or in eating red meat on Friday’s but I’d sure not want any of my doctors to have gotten their medical degree from a medical school based solely on that particular sort of religious interpretation. I wouldn’t go out of my way to hire an Amish electrician or auto mechanic for much the same reason. (But if you are interested, ask me about the time by brother’s car broke down on a country road in SE central PA and an Amish farmer repaired his car ;)> )

I also have objections to the equally unscientifically unsound and socio-political- economically driven agenda that global warming is a singularly a man-made phenomenon, in teaching that socialism or communism is preferable to the Republic our Founders gave us in History classes, to a radical homosexual and feminist agenda in Literature classes and many other things currently being taught in public schools and universities.

But in my opinion, radical fundamentalist creationism “science” is just the opposite side of the same very bad coin.

I’m sure that many YEC fundamentalists would be very happy to have other fundamentalist YEC’s teach public school Science/Religion/Biblical interpretation to their kids but might not be so happy about having a Catholic or a Mormon science teacher teaching their kids about Science/Religion/Biblical interpretation any more than I would like a fundamentalist/YEC telling my Catholic kid that not only is the TOE evil but so is the Pope and that my kid isn’t a “real” Christian because he or she doesn’t go to the same church as the teacher.

I have no problems with religion I just don’t want anyone’s religion forced on me. And if some think that science and TOE is a religion on its own, then fine – opt out and home school or send your kid to a religious school but don’t try to skew sound science just to fit your religion.

I offer what I think is a good compromise – I’ll keep out me and my Priest and my kid’s science teacher out of your Sunday school class if you keep your Sunday school teacher and YEC Pastor out of my kid’s science class.

“Fichori is a creationist. He believes the Earth is the center of the Universe, that it is surrounded by water and that God made the Earth 6000 years ago. Then God flooded the Earth 4000 years ago with that water that the earth is surrounded by (rain from heaven).”

LeGrande is an atheist and habitually lies about what he assumes other people believe.

When he says I believe something, it only means that he wants me to believe that.

(i.e. he wants his debate opponents to be fruitcakes)