Skip to comments.Out West, Obama Faces Gun Battle
Posted on 09/15/2008 10:07:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
DENVER, Colo. -- Colorado is home to more than 100,000 dues-paying members of the National Rifle Association, all of whom should have received THIS MAILER sometime in the last week, which says he would be "the most anti-gun president in American history," and refers gun rights enthusiasts to the website GunBanObama.com.
Obama is aware of this of course, and he's on the radio airwaves out here -- as well as, according to readers of Ben Smith at Politico -- Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Maryland. Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire.
The ad features former Washington Redskin Ray Schoenke, who helms the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which styles itself as a moderate alternative to the NRA, while the NRA deems it to be a bogus bunch of gun-grabbers.
"It's important to me that our next President protects our Second Amendment rights to own guns and defend ourselves," says Schoenke. "Barack Obama and John McCain will both make sure we can keep our guns. But what about keeping our jobs? Barack's got a real plan that invests in creating jobs here at home and cuts taxes a thousand bucks for working families. John McCain? I saw a lot of cheap shots in my day, but McCain's false attacks on Obama are just a fake to hide the ball. His plan sells out American workers. McCain will keep giving tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas. And he'll look the other way while China breaks our trade deals. It's the same old Bush playbook. Look, when the coach loses eight years in a row, you don't bring him back for a ninth season! We just can't afford more of the same."
Listen to the ad HERE.
Obama's facing some tough skeptics out here, though, and comments like the ones he made in Duryea, Penn., earlier this month don't necessarily help.
"Theres rumors going around that you're going to take away the guns," said a hunter at a glass factory.
"I think this is a great question so I just want to clear it up," Obama said. "Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience. I believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are a law-abiding gun owner, you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration! I mean this has been this has been peddled again and again
"Ill be honest, and Im sure theres some NRA members here," Obama continued. "Their general attitude is 'Look, we dont want anything, and if you even breathe the word "gun control" or "gun safety," then you must want to take away everybodys guns.' Well, thats just not true...
"The bottom line is this. If youve got a rifle, youve got a shotgun, youve got a gun in your house, Im not taking it away. Alright? So they can keep on talking about it but this is just not true. And by the way, heres another thing youve got to understand. Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldnt get it done. I dont have the votes in Congress."
That "I don't have the votes in Congress" line has ricocheted around the country
“Because I know there are probably some sportsmen here in the audience.”
It’s not about the sportsmen.
Always beware of a politician who starts his sentences with
Let me be honest.....
To tell you the truth....
Uhhh UUUUhhhhor Uh Look!
Amazing how he can talk about false attacks in the same breath he uses to push the lie that McCain and Bush--who loathe each other--are somehow the same person. How has John McCain been "coach" for eight years?
If the Dims retain or pick up seats in Congress he will have the votes and we will be looking at an even more draconian version of the so-called Assault Weapon Ban ...
On the Second Amendment, Dont Believe Obama!
Friday, June 06, 2008
On the Second Amendment,
Dont Believe Obama!
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for sportsmen or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Dont listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and research.8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
My point is he's nothing like Bush. "How has John McCain been "coach" for eight years?" should've tipped you off.
If there was even the most remote of doubts as to where B.O. is headed on the gun control front , we need to look no further than his VP pick .... Blowhard Biden :
The Global Poverty Act that Obama sponsored in the senate exposes his views on guns. He doesn’t think people in the nations we’re going to send our money to should have small arms.
If he doesn’t think guns are good for citizens of foreign nations, he probably doesn’ think that they’re good for you either.
BZZZZT! No, thanks.
NRA is as "moderate" as I care to go.
To disarm the people.....that was the most effectual way to enslave them.....
George Mason sez, shove it up your *bleep*!
Keep the links and posts coming!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
McCain had the most detailed pro-gun section on his website out of all the Republican Primary contenders . That section is still up on his website which tells me that it wasn’t just “ red meat “ for the Primary voters ... It’s a good sign ..
Talk about doublespeak. This bunch of gun-grabbers has been running ads on Rush and Hannity non-stop in Pennsylvania. What I'd like to know is where the HELL is the NRA? If we could get Obama's real record on RKBA out in PA we have a real shot at winning here. And what needs to be said is: the American Hunters and Shooters Association is a group with a history of stealth attacks on gun ownership they hide under the rug of "sensible restrictions on firearms." All you need to know are two things: 1) The fact that Barack Obama is using such a group as his mouthpiece on gun rights is a dead giveaway and 2) Right up until the day of the SCOTUS decision in DC vs. Heller, Barack Obama believed that a total ban on handguns was consistent with the 2nd Amendment.
not without all the bullets that come with it, you (nor your JBTs) aren't.
I wonder if bHo has some nice land in Florida to sell...
Obama "gun friendly" = LIAR.
ASHA is about as far left as bHo is...just another front group for the anti-gunners.
And their mindless worshipers suck smelly wind after them.
No shame. No self-respect. Sociopaths.
Not on the Gun Issue . This thread is about gun control . McCain has been consistent in his opposition to the AWB and AWB-2 . Bush said he would support it if it made it to his desk ...it was a wink and a nod to get elected , but he still said it .
McCain has not shied away from his opposition to the AWB-2 . McCain has indeed ,in the past, flirted with closing the so-called “ gun show loophole “ , but that was the extent of it .
Oh and please don’t forget , Bush signed into law McCain / Feingold when he could have stopped it in his tracks .
Yeah...there ain’t nothing moderate about these fools. They can’t beat us so the want to deceive us into getting our guns.
Take it from someone in the used car business for a long time. Never say “honestly” the second you say it, you imply everything before was BS. Always use “frankly” Thats a word you should look out for.....
I noticed that he didn’t say anything about being able to keep your handgun.
I think that one thing those of us in the gun rights movement have failed to do is to point out to sportsmen how tough the rats make it for them to hunt and fish. Let’s face it, there are probably about 30% of gun owners who really don’t care about the right to bear arms so long as they can keep their hunting guns and maybe a pistol for self-defense. The thing we need to point out to these folks is that the rats are a nightmare when it comes to hunting and fishing regulations as well.
Obama picked Biden. McCain picked Palin. That should tell you who really supports guns
Or “As we All know.”
McCain was against the DC gun ban even though he would not win a single vote there. That proves that he really believes in the 2nd amendment...it’s not about hunting. It’s about freedom from tyranny.
It was John McCain and not Sarah Palin who said:
“The Second Amendment isn’t some archaic custom that matters only to rural Americans, who find solace in firearms out of frustration with their economic circumstances. The Second Amendment is unique in the world. It guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our Founding Fathers.”
I would ask the Obama campaign to list the specific pro-gun bills Obama voted FOR while in either the Illinois or U.S. Senate.
Stupid is as stupid does. If he always votes againsts guns, why would anyone think he would be pro-gun as president?
Now, apply the same test to McCain.
You’re asking where in the hell is the NRA. That’s pathetic. The NRA is wondering where in the hell is the 75 million gun owners who don’t do anything except sit on the sidelines.
There are four million NRA members. There are forty million members of the antigun AARP.
Yeah, a yearly membership costs $35, its not going to break the bank.
In the meantime, maybe our side needs to do a little of this stealth (i.e. false) advertising. We could have a group that calls itself abortion on demands for America. This group could claim that McCain wants to have as many abortions on demand as possible. Thats about the same integrity as this “American and Hunters Shooting Association” has.
That ad is playing in Nevada as well. Heard it this morning on the way into work. Barry Hussein is coming to Nevada this week and I can’t understand it. He’s not going to Union rich Vegas but is instead headed out to Elko. That is bigtime ranching and cowboy country. That county usually votes 70-75% Republican. Maybe he hopes to bring it down to a more respectable 68-73%.
The comments at the source seem to acknowledge what he would do if he had the votes.
Believe it or not. BHO voted for a ban on gun confiscations during emergencies like Katrina.
This is why they can’t understand how to deal with Palin.
What you see is what she is. Authenticity.
I’d really like to bait them into exposing what they really believe, but they ARE smarter than that.
I own this:
Do you have a problem with this fact?
PS: It’s not for hunting or sport.