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Survey USA polls are hugely oversampling Dems to boost Obama.
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Posted on 09/18/2008 5:42:27 AM PDT by sunmars

2 new polls in 2 days have tried to boost Obama, however when you look deeper, theres a better answer here, huge oversampling of Democrats.


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When you look at the NEW Mexico Poll today, it has Obama at 52 to 44.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7

However you look at the sample.

Its 48% Dem, 37% Republican and 13% Indie.

So Obama didnt much to swing him to 52% did it. Theres no way that sample is a good sample.

Again also look here at the Poll posted 2 days ago for Ohio

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=43154ee9-1bca-4042-84df-131e90cc13ad

It has McCain leading 49 to Obama 45 however i suspect the lead is larger.

The sample was 44% Dem and 35% Republican and 17% indie and McCain still way ahead, so either a huge amount of dems defected or McCain took 14% of those indies.

It would however seem there is a pattern here among SUSA polls that are they are boosting Obama by way oversampling Dems.

1 posted on 09/18/2008 5:42:28 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars
Gallup and CBS are using the same weighing trick. Its something to look out for. Why you play with the sample IDs, you can put any one in the lead. It means nothing other than what the pollsters want it to be.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 09/18/2008 5:44:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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But isn’t SUSA a Republican pollster?


3 posted on 09/18/2008 5:45:11 AM PDT by KavMan
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To: sunmars

Rush called this 10 days ago when he said the polls will show McCain with an early lead, then Obama will go ahead so the MSM can say Obama is “surging”.


4 posted on 09/18/2008 5:46:37 AM PDT by AU72
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To: sunmars

Note to MSM: Americans are “on” to you. You have become more than irrelevant.


5 posted on 09/18/2008 5:56:40 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: KavMan

no


6 posted on 09/18/2008 5:59:34 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: sunmars

Doesn’t make sense. Pollsters certainly understand this issue and adjust for it! On the other hand, what they cannot adjust for is that 17% or some high number of people do not have home phones (only cell phones), and do not get polled. These folks are young Dems. Tell my why this is not true?


7 posted on 09/18/2008 6:00:18 AM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: sunmars

Gee, what a surprise.


8 posted on 09/18/2008 6:02:34 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: sunmars

Do poll results really influence others? Did it work in 2000 and 2004?


9 posted on 09/18/2008 6:08:16 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: grumpa

Most polls are weighted to ensure a certain result...The ONLY poll that really matters is the one on NOV 4th....


10 posted on 09/18/2008 6:08:29 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Boonie

Its good that we know and can diseminate the information that pollsters are trying to influence with dodgy numbers.


11 posted on 09/18/2008 6:09:52 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: grumpa

I’ve read that pollsters take that into account (people without hard wired phones).


12 posted on 09/18/2008 6:12:11 AM PDT by randita
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To: sunmars
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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13 posted on 09/18/2008 6:12:50 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: sunmars

Good.
It keeps the Obama supporters placid and the Republicans lean, hungry and alert right to the end, or, at least, until the debates...


14 posted on 09/18/2008 6:13:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: Little Ray

Let the Democrats think they are winning up until 7 pm EST November 4th.


15 posted on 09/18/2008 6:18:06 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: sunmars

Think you have to look to see if they’re weighting or artificially changing the ratios of calls.
If the calls are random and the people are self identifying then this may be the case.
Unlikely the spread is anywhere near 12-13% more Dems.
Particularly in Ohio or NM.


16 posted on 09/18/2008 6:20:02 AM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: sunmars

I’ve noticed before, the MSM/polls usually wind up saying it’s too close to call. If their favorite loses they can scream fraud or bias. And they keep selling papers or keeping viewers glued right up to election day and beyond.


17 posted on 09/18/2008 6:20:09 AM PDT by Waco ( G00d bye 0'bomber)
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To: sunmars

I am pretty sure that New Mexico has been since at least Kennedy, if not further back, a heavily Democrat state.


18 posted on 09/18/2008 6:22:04 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: o2bfree

Correct; that is what happened in the last two elections. Do you remember the MSM calling the race for Kerry at around noon. They said Kerry was winning FL by large numbers. Fl wasn’t even that close in 04 and I bet with the large Jewish vote against BO it will be even better for McCain.


19 posted on 09/18/2008 6:31:39 AM PDT by Beeman
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To: grumpa

Sampling error is a big issue in polling. The only way to account for it is by using a strict quota system based on demographics and party affiliation. This costs more and takes longer. The results can be weighted, a common technique in business marketing research.

The challenge is to determine the correct weights. In business, researchers refer to census data. Even though it’s out of date, it changes little from year to year.

In politics, party affiliation and preference can shift enough in a few years to impact the results. So what do they do? Therein lies the rub.

You state that phone surveys undersample younger voters who lack land lines and rely on mobile phones. That’s true, but there’s historically less of a tendency for younger voters to actually turn out, no matter what their stated intention.

Phone surveys also undersample more affluent voters. Upper middle class voters use caller ID and answering machines to screen calls. They are less likely to answer calls from unknown numbers, such as research companies. They are also more likely to be away from home in the evening, eating out or traveling on business. These voters skew Republican and have a high turn out.

Bottom line, any one poll can be off more than the statistical margin of error if sampling bias creeps in. Look at multiple polls and watch for trends. This is problematic in state polls, such as New Mexico.

The candidates’ internal polling, which we don’t get to see, is probably the most accurate. You can tell which states are in play according to their polling based on the time, energy, and investment from the campaigns.


20 posted on 09/18/2008 6:32:39 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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