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The Push to ‘Otherize’ Obama [Christians who don't vote for Barry are bigots alert]
New York Times ^ | September 20, 2008 | Nicholas D. Kristof

Posted on 09/21/2008 6:05:34 AM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Zakeet

He may be many things, but he’s not a Christian. He’s probably not an orthodox Muslim, either, but subscribes to that peculiar mix of Islam and black power ideology that floats through the African-American community. This is true even though he’s not even a legitimate part of the “African American community,” but is just hitching his star to it because it has become the favorite prop of the extreme left.

Incidentally, on the website of his “church,” it says - or did say earlier - that Muslims are welcome to attend. Some “church”! The pastor, Wright, is also a former Black Muslim who decided the pickings were better by setting himself up as an independent “church.”


21 posted on 09/21/2008 6:24:27 AM PDT by livius
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To: Tax-chick

It’s an interesting thing TC, “out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks” and yet we heard Obama on George Stephanopuolis’s show say “My Muslim Faith” and when George S. corrected Obama with “you mean your Christian Faith” Obama did not acknowledge the correction he simply kept on talking.

I find that odd, never really gave much credence to the “Obama is a Muslim” line of thought, outside of Patriarchal Lineage, but that gaffe did sow some additional questions in my thinking about him.

I compare that to this:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/08/the-pow-church-riot.html

“The prisoners had developed a tap code system for communicating through the walls. Through that tapping, “we decided we needed to be all on the same sheet of music at least one time during the week,” Swindle said.

The prisoners decided that every Sunday, after they had eaten their rice, the highest-ranking officer would cough loudly and say the letter ‘c’ for church. The prisoners would then say the Pledge of Allegiance, the Lord’s Prayer and the 23rd Psalm. The psalm was said in plural: “Yea, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil.”

From McCain and he seems much more Christian to me then Obama ever could be.


22 posted on 09/21/2008 6:24:53 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Zakeet

Anyone who doesn’t vote for Sarah Palin is a sexist!

See,it works both ways.


23 posted on 09/21/2008 6:25:04 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("WWII was the downfall of FDR's dreams of a socialist America--Vietnam was their rebirth.")
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To: Zakeet

If obama is a Christian, I still won’t vote for him.

It’s his views and where he stands on issues that I am concerned about.

And I am not a racist because he is black and I am white and I don’t vote for him.


24 posted on 09/21/2008 6:28:39 AM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (God, guns and Sarah Palin. Am I White Trash or what? :<D)
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To: Zakeet
Obama is NOT a Christian. He facilitates the killing of unborn babies.

Babies are not terrorists. They never started a war...so killing them is NOT self-defense.

Additionally, Obama and his 20 year church have more in common with radical Islam than not. They hate Whites, Christians, Catholics, and Jews.

Obama supported Odinga in Kenya. Odinga lost the presidential election but Obama was instrumental in getting Odinga the Prime Minister post. Odinga signed an agreement with radical Islam before the election. When he lost the election 1000 Christians were killed and their churches were burned in the radical Islamic violence.

So, do any of you lurkers want this scene played out in the USA? If so, then that maggot Obama is your guy and the blood will be on your hands.

End...

25 posted on 09/21/2008 6:29:54 AM PDT by xtinct (Suicide Hotline... !! "Obama here" --> Please Hold...)
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To: TommyDale

If we produced photos of Obama’s backside with a giant 666 birthmark, the NY Slimes would still accuse us of bigotry.


26 posted on 09/21/2008 6:31:09 AM PDT by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: Zakeet
When I’ve traveled around the country, particularly to my childhood home in rural Oregon, I’ve been struck by the number of people who ask something like: That Obama — is he really a Christian?

Why do I doubt the veracity of this statement. Well, for one, it come from the Times. And why would people walk up to this author and state such a question. Is the author some kind of expert? I suppose in his own mind, he is; it certainly shines through in his condescending tone.

27 posted on 09/21/2008 6:31:32 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: missnry

“He supports the killing of unborn children.”

Hell, he supports the killing of BORN children if the mother’s original intent was that child’s destruction. Obambi is evil.


28 posted on 09/21/2008 6:33:03 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: GulfWar1Vet
I think some of this Muslim stuff is dumb and over the top. On the other hand, has Barack Obama ever gone on record saying that he believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is his personal saviour? A true Muslim could never say such a thing, even as taqqiyah; it would be apostasy punishable by death. A true Christian would have no troubls shouting it from the rooftops. Obama can talk a good game and quote Scripture all he wants; but only in the secular world of the New York Times is he anywhere close to convincing as a Christian!
29 posted on 09/21/2008 6:33:26 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (NEVER FORGET -- it all started with Fannie Mae and the Democrats!)
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To: GulfWar1Vet
I think some of this Muslim stuff is dumb and over the top. On the other hand, has Barack Obama ever gone on record saying that he believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is his personal saviour? A true Muslim could never say such a thing, even as taqqiyah; it would be apostasy punishable by death. A true Christian would have no troubls shouting it from the rooftops. Obama can talk a good game and quote Scripture all he wants; but only in the secular world of the New York Times is he anywhere close to convincing as a Christian!
30 posted on 09/21/2008 6:33:27 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (NEVER FORGET -- it all started with Fannie Mae and the Democrats!)
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To: padre35

Sabina Wurmbrand said the Christian prisoners in labor camp in Romania would greet each other with the opening lines of a psalm:

“Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good. His mercy endures forever.”
and the response,
“Let the redeemed of the LORD say so!”

I think a reasonable person could conclude, based on evidence including his own statements, that Barack Obama is a Moslem. I believe that his religion is Marxism, and I’d much sooner vote for a Moslem.


31 posted on 09/21/2008 6:36:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: xtinct

Maybe the NYT’s special hack, Mr. Kristof can help the Obama campaign to refute this ‘he’s a muslim’ by telling the truth and quite hiding under the Moron Media’s skirts!
It is Obama’s fault that so many do not trust him, he has lied repeatedly and has tried to hide his history at every attempt of due discovery.


32 posted on 09/21/2008 6:37:05 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: ought-six
Obama believes babies born alive during an abortion need to be left to die. He has no limitations on abortion, none, nada, zip. His actions in the Illinois Senate prove it.
33 posted on 09/21/2008 6:40:21 AM PDT by tioga (Bring on the debates! While Obama wows the media, McCain will win over Americans.)
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To: goldstategop

He does have a Muslim name and he attends a racist church. Is there anything more we need to know about Barack Hussein Obama? Seriously! “

His father was Muslim.
He was registered for school in Indonesia as a Muslim.
He went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport when he was 20.
He attended for 20 YEARS—1040 Sundays- a very racist and hate filled church.

He can try to put lipstick on that church, but it is still filled with hate.

I don’t care what Nobama calls himself. He isn’t anywhere near the definition of a Christian that I was ever raised with nor have encountered in my 68 years.
American voters don’t need to attend church every Sunday to know in their hearts what a true Christian is.

He can call himself anything he want.
He cannot fool the American voter that much.


34 posted on 09/21/2008 6:42:14 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Really? I had thought that taqqiyah would allow for such things under the cover of Jihad?


35 posted on 09/21/2008 6:46:24 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Glennb51

You are correct. He referred to his own Muslim faith - nobody had to say it for him.


36 posted on 09/21/2008 6:53:47 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Zakeet

How often do you accidentally refer to your ‘muslim faith’ when discussing religion with somebody (as Obama did on ABC TV)?


37 posted on 09/21/2008 6:54:05 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: Zakeet
When I’ve traveled around the country, particularly to my childhood home in rural Oregon, I’ve been struck by the number of people who ask something like: That Obama — is he really a Christian? Isn’t he a Muslim or something? Didn’t he take his oath of office on the Koran?

The old "people asked me when I really just wanted to buttress my own point of view by making those people up" schtick. Please.

38 posted on 09/21/2008 6:54:44 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Preserve Youtube Clips Before They Disappear - www.keepvid.com)
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To: Zakeet

If that many people (e.g. 1/3 of voters) really believed that Hussein is a Muslim, he’d be twenty points down right now. It’s the fact that too many people don’t know about his “true faith” (black liberation theology) that’s making him competitive with McCain.


39 posted on 09/21/2008 6:56:10 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: goldstategop
Knowing the NY Times, they're probably obfuscating what people are thinking and saying. Was Obama a Muslim? Definitely, his father was Muslim, that makes him a Muslim. His step-father was Muslim. Obama was registered in Indonesia as a Muslim. He went to Muslim religious classes in Indonesia.

So, if I say I believe that Obama was a Muslim, does that put me in the NY Times 1/3rd?

40 posted on 09/21/2008 6:57:51 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're all Georgians now, Lili-Putin!)
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