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College education is a ripoff
Modern Conservative ^ | September 26, 2008 | Burt Prelutsky

Posted on 09/26/2008 4:27:48 PM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

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To: BurbankKarl
Correlation does not prove causality. You'd know that if you hadn't gone to college.

Seriously, though, the college educated are a selected population, they generally have more talent, ambition and drive than those who do not attend. A college education can be an indication of these traits. I am not sure there is any evidence that a college education, per se, adds a lot of value.

Another issue is certification and licensure. More opportunities are open to people with academic “credentials”, no matter how dubious the value of said credentials.

61 posted on 09/26/2008 5:27:49 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Well said and true. Outside of very few professions, I consider most college degrees to be less that worthless because they inflate in the mind of the graduate a sense of educational achievement and enlightenment. In most cases, this is entirely unfounded.


62 posted on 09/26/2008 5:27:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: cookcounty

Yep. My husband makes too much for my daughter to get help. If he made less or we had about 6 more kids, we would be much better off. :)


63 posted on 09/26/2008 5:33:40 PM PDT by SpookBrat (God is good)
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To: My Favorite Headache
And coming from someone who went for Communications...it seemed like the great decision at the time... An AA has become nothing more than a high school diploma on steroids.

Same here! A major in communications at a university, following an AA in marketing (a popular major in the '80's). What a waste of my time and money!

At the very least, I should've listened to my father's advice and majored in data processing. ;-)

64 posted on 09/26/2008 5:33:45 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Dear BurkbankKarl -- Where on earth did you retrieve this graphic?!?!

College education was obviously a ripoff for the editor/creator of the graphic.

They could not catch the misspelled words: Diploma ("Deploma"), Bachelor's ("Bachlor's") and Advanced ("Advansed").

65 posted on 09/26/2008 5:33:49 PM PDT by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Well, it all depends on what you do. I once had a job recruiter tell me (in the poor economy), that when the resumes come in, there is the pile with “graduated State U”....and then there is the pile with “attended State U”.....

Guess which pile didn’t go in the trash?

Certainly, every case is different.


66 posted on 09/26/2008 5:34:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
in place of these ivory towers, I would institute an assortment of trade schools. But not just those traditional trade schools where high school graduates learn to be mechanics, plumbers, and carpenters, but trade schools for lawyers, doctors, accountants and architects.

Amen. Glad someone else shares my opinion. Maybe college is headed in that direction, anyway, with "certificate programs" offered at so many community colleges.

67 posted on 09/26/2008 5:36:15 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

Wait and see here too. We’ll for sure do the community college thing. I think she’ll go to the Christian college for certain credits and do some campus things like sports and year book. She’s been homeschooled so long and is looking forward to doing some “real school”. LOL

Sounds like she and Lizzie are so much alike. She loves Theology too.


68 posted on 09/26/2008 5:36:20 PM PDT by SpookBrat (God is good)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Love it, love it. I have two college over-educated older kids (38 & 40), between the two about four degrees and then some “minors”, but the third kid is the stand-up man, Eagle Scout, 10yrs Infantry, combat veteran of two long deployments, uses his hands, can do with very little, keeps on keeping on. Meanwhile the older two whine and moan about minor bumps in the road that don’t amount to a hill of beans and have to “discuss” every stupid point. But the youngest says very little, justs gets going and gets-r-done.

Guess which one I want around and depend on when the chips are down?? Besides, he knows his weapons...


69 posted on 09/26/2008 5:39:44 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Im making a good living using my degree. But then again I studies Science, which is both real and useful. Many things studied at University these days are neither.


70 posted on 09/26/2008 5:42:52 PM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: Zakeet

“It’s virtually impossible to become competent in technical disciplines such as mathematics, science, engineering, and medicine without rigorous university training.”

Is that why we’re facing a shortage of the sciences and engineering? Because rigorous university training is so difficult to find?


71 posted on 09/26/2008 5:43:47 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Agree. The “college experience” is the biggest myth perpetuated on American parents to date. I attended college in the 70”s, but commuted from home. Today, commuting to college is a sure sign of “loser”. The party scene is the main attraction for roughly 80% of students. Just look at the binge drinking by both men and women as an example. It’s out of control for most, and evidence of this is the fact that colleges and universities today are the strongest advocates in favor of lowering the drinking age. Why? Not because they want to be fair to the students who may be going off to war, or buying a home. No, it’s simply because they cannot control or enforce their own drinking policies. They know it, and want to wash their hands of being responsible. They also know that if they did enforce the drinking policy, they would have no students. Call me nuts, but I have three in college right now, and I defy anyone to tell me otherwise. That, combined with the loony leftist professors who abound, is enough proof for me. Our colleges and universities are not as interested in educating as they are in being money making businesses.


72 posted on 09/26/2008 5:45:12 PM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: DaGman

I think you are right as well.

He starts with the premise that being well rounded and generally educated is a good and desireable thing, then said F’it, just teach the dumb bastards a trade.


73 posted on 09/26/2008 5:46:48 PM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Aside from learning how to drink themselves into a stupor and smooth-talk members of the opposite sex, those first four years have no other purpose than to drain off thousands of dollars from mom and dad in order to pay exorbitant salaries to administrators, professors, and a gaggle of athletic coaches.


All this has been written about by the great Tom Wolfe in “I Am Charlotte Simmons”...a great read.


74 posted on 09/26/2008 5:50:55 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Paperdoll
One of my granddaughters graduated Cum Laud from an expensive private Lutheran University during Memorial Day weekend.

I assume it wasn't one of the Concordias, but an ELCA school. Unfortunately, I have heard about other kids who did not get much of a Christian education at one of those.

75 posted on 09/26/2008 5:51:07 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: SpookBrat

“If he made less or we had about 6 more kids, we would be much better off. :)”

Those will be good strategies when socialism in this country really takes hold.


76 posted on 09/26/2008 5:51:13 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Dawn531

I’m not sure what State you are in Dawn, but if it is Ga, the State certainly got college funding done right because they use ALL the Lottery money they collect and put it into education...Florida had a similar mision statement for their Lottery but the fools in Tallahassee let the Lottery money be divied up so now only a fraction goes to Education..If they had stuck to 100% of funding for all college students, this would make for a much better College Tuition situation- namely free college for all college students...Seems like it would work in all States, especially those where Lottery sales are high...

As it is the tuitions at our State schools are fairly low compared to national averages, but still high enough to shut out some bright and deserving students...Hopefully one day this will be reformed by a good governor, but in this day of financial crisis who knows when that would happen...


77 posted on 09/26/2008 5:55:52 PM PDT by billmor (Friday:Red Shirt Day- silent no more..,McCain and Palin-the right team for '08)
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To: Zakeet

It is simply impossible to engage in most any discipline such as........without a book full of green stamps. Have Mom and Dad pay up or borrow and stiff the taxpayer. But you must get a party card, check your head at the door, stfu and sit there until you are told to go.


78 posted on 09/26/2008 5:59:02 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: eleni121

Must read for parents. . . reinforces what we already know but some don’t want to admit.


79 posted on 09/26/2008 6:03:45 PM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: billmor; 4Liberty
We're in Florida, and yes it's funded by the lottery. I know, in Georgia the requirements to qualify for the Hope are much more equitable than the requirements in Florida.

North Carolina also has a similar Dual Enrollment program, so many kids are graduating from high school with their AA.

80 posted on 09/26/2008 6:07:31 PM PDT by Dawn531
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