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To: LS

“Actually, if you know anything about the “insides” of campaigns, if they say they are 6 down, it’s more likely they are tied or down 12.”

Normally I’d agree, but McCain’s campaign has been an OPSEC travesty. They’ve announced every move they’re going to make in advance. There is no advantage for McCain to tell the world he’s down, yet he did it anyway. McCain’s campaign has been all tactics and no strategy. That’s a lousy campaign, not a sign of some super secret political jujitsu.

“Sure, it happens.”
Yes, in 2004.

“#4. You’ve gotta be kidding, right?”

I stated clearly that I was talking about post-election interviews. Those numbers you’re so sure are absolutely correct, tell me, exactly how are they derived? And please be specific. Somebody who was really “inside baseball” wouldn’t make the rookie mistake of thinking that partisan turnout numbers only come from exit polling.

As for party ID, pollster Mark Blumenthal: “Moreover, more recent studies have shown evidence of significant short-term change in Party ID. The 2000 Annenberg National Election Study (NAES), like the 2004 study now underway, was a daily tracking survey that ultimately included more than 58,000 interviews over the course of the year, roughly 5000 interviews per month. NAES observed that the percentage of the electorate identified as Independent “was not stable over time.” In a chart on page 61 of Capturing Campaign Dynamics, Daniel Romer and his colleagues showed the percentage of Independents falling steadily from roughly 31% to 27% during the conventions, then spiking 8 points to 35% just after the Democratic convention in early September, then falling off again steadily back to roughly 28% on election day, then plummeting sharply to below 25% a few days later. No surprise that they concluded:

Surveys that are weighted by party identification may be operating under some misconceptions about party identification. Party identification may not be as stable as once thought and could be considered an indicator of the respondents’ attitudes toward candidates at a given moment of the campaign.”

Like I said, I deal in facts, not assumptions. If you’ve got better data than the NAES, I’d love to see it.


187 posted on 10/14/2008 6:53:31 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet (Be a monthly donor.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
I deal in people. I can't think of one person---and I know a lot of people--who has changed party registration in the past 8 years except . . . my wife, who changed in the primaries to Dem to vote against Hillary.

Hmmm, suppose she'll be voting for Obama?

Now, here's some "inside baseball." I've done precinct work for the Republicans for 10 years. We have voter ID and voting RECORDS going back for five elections. We can tell who is a "strong Republican," not so strong, and quasi-independent. When our walkers go around, they make notes. These notes get back in the system.

Very, very few Republicans change party ID. Even those who hate/hated Bush have not changed party ID. We have very high confidence that our voters are "our" voters. I have talked to them on the phone, election after election. I have never once heard, "I used to be a Republican, but I switched." We have the indies marked, too, and I've had them answer both ways, "I switched from Republican/Democrat."

You still gotta do better---a lot better than Blumenthal.

205 posted on 10/15/2008 5:12:13 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LadyNavyVet
There is no advantage for McCain to tell the world he’s down, yet he did it anyway.

OK...so every poll had him down by margins outside the margin of error and a couple of widely reported national polls have him down by double digits you think it makes him look bad to mention that he's down in the polls?

Huh?

220 posted on 10/19/2008 8:46:12 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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