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Live McCain press conference on ACORN voter fraud
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Posted on 10/14/2008 6:52:37 AM PDT by Columbo

Live presser coming up shortly.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; acorn; fraud; mccain; stolen; votefraud
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To: Columbo
I'd like to hear McCain say that all ACORN voter registrations should be declared corrupted and as such each state, in order to preserve the integrity of the election, should remove those registrations (and early votes) from the rolls.

I'm sure someone on the thread will be more than happy point out why that can't happen, but that IS what needs to happen.

41 posted on 10/14/2008 7:14:16 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (We're counting on you to drag the old codger across the finish line first, Sarah!)
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To: blondee123
[McCain taxing healthcare] I have friends who are conservative & they are going to vote Obama because of this lie!!! HELP NOW!

I think you have brought up a very important point. Does anybody here know how we can contact the McCain campaign?

42 posted on 10/14/2008 7:14:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: All

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now Acorn v. City of Florida City, 447 So.2d 1363 (Fla. App. 3 Dist., 1984)

appeal by acorn dismissed.

not much there.

however we need a list of ACORN EMPLOYEE CONVICTIONS.

ACORN spokefrauds are using big lie theory because their lies need only last two weeks.

They scream “shame on you” and deny deny deny.

NOBODY is calling them on this stuff.

again we need a case list of convictions.


43 posted on 10/14/2008 7:15:19 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: OB1kNOb
He has to declare an Obama presidency illegitimate.
44 posted on 10/14/2008 7:15:30 AM PDT by Crawdad (Joe Biden- the Fredo Corleone of the Democrat Party)
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To: 1Old Pro
If he doesn’t wrap Obama in an Acorn Flag, and repeat it over and over, he should stop wting our time.

Yup. But at this point, judging by his track record, I don't see it happening. Still, I think he can pull this out if the market climbs and the 527s do the partisan thing for him.

45 posted on 10/14/2008 7:15:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: All

444 So.2d 37

ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR REFORM NOW/ACORN, a non-profit corporation; Verna Lee Dukes; Alberta Gidden, individually and on behalf of all those similarly situated, Appellants,
v.
CITY OF FLORIDA CITY, a municipal corporation; John Calualtti, in his capacity as Mayor of Florida City; Otis Wallace; Juanita Smith; Arturo De Leon; Jennie Notaro, in their official capacity as city commissioners of the City of Florida City, Appellees.

No. 83-1272.

District Court of Appeal of Florida,
Third District.

Dec. 27, 1983.
Rehearing Denied Feb. 13, 1984.

Joseph P. Hoffman, Leon Sharpe, Miami, for appellants.

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Joseph F. Tomassi, Homestead, for appellees.

Before HENDRY, NESBITT and DANIEL S. PEARSON, JJ.

NESBITT, Judge.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (the Class) brought this class action seeking an order invalidating certain special assessments levied by the City of Florida City (the City) for a sewer system. The Class also sought to enjoin the City’s foreclosure actions against the properties of those who have not paid the assessment. This is an appeal from a final judgment in favor of the City.

The trial court held that the special assessments for the sewer system improvement, the assessment liens and the foreclosure actions were valid against the members of the Class. The court below made specific findings of special benefit to the Class. The Class contends that the trial court’s holding was unsupported in fact and law.

Factually, the Class asserts that the distances between the properties of the Class members and the system made the system inaccessible. The Class incorrectly asserts that property must abut the improvement to be assessed for it. All property abutting or within the protective proximity of a sewer system improvement may be assessed. City of Hallandale v. Meekins, 237 So.2d 318 (Fla. 4th DCA 1970). Whether the properties of the Class were within the “protective proximity” was a factual determination concerning which both parties had the opportunity to present evidence and expert testimony to the trial court. We will not disturb the factual conclusions of the lower court when, as here, the judgment is supported by sufficient evidence in the record. Airborne Freight Corp. v. Fleming International Airways, Inc., 423 So.2d 921, 922 (Fla. 3d DCA 1982).

In addition, the Class asserts that there can be no special benefit from the sewer system before the system is completed. In this regard, the Class contends that the trial court’s finding of benefit is unsupported in both fact and law. Legally, the Class asserts that there can be no assessment for a future benefit. This is not correct. The City may calculate the benefit to be derived and levy a special assessment for the improvement before actually completing the improvement. Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Winter Haven, 112 Fla. 807, 114 Fla. xxv [corrected opinion], 151 So. 321 (1933), the Florida Supreme Court stated that “if specially assessed property is, or may be, enhanced in value by the improvement when made, it is subject to an assessment in proportion to the benefits it will likely receive from the execution of the work.” Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Gainesville, 83 Fla. 275, 91 So. 118, 121 (1922) (”it is presumed or assumed that all property abutting on a street to be improved will or may be benefitted ....”).

The Class states it is a self-evident fact that there can be no benefit from a sewer one cannot use. The City made the assessments according to “the McCabe plan,” developed by a city engineer, which divided the sewer project into four phases. Under the McCabe plan, each property owner would be deemed to receive a further benefit as each phase of the sewer construction was completed. Those who were actually using the system were assessed at a higher rate than those who were not. The City determined that under the plan all taxpayers would be specially assessed in direct proportion to the benefit received.

The burden was on the Class to overcome the dual presumptions that a sewer system improvement is of special benefit to those in proximity to it, see City of Hallandale v. Meekins (not necessary for city to make specific finding of special benefit to each parcel abutting or within protective proximity of sanitary sewer improvement because such an improvement is by its nature designed to afford special or peculiar benefit to those properties) and that the legislative determination of special benefit is correct. See Meyer v. City of

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Oakland Park, 219 So.2d 417 (Fla.1969); City of Winter Haven; Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Gainesville. If reasonable men could differ over whether there was a special benefit, the court must defer to the determination of the city officials. City of Gainesville v. Seaboard Coastline Ry., 385 So.2d 1069 (Fla. 1st DCA 1980); City of Hallandale v. Meekins. The Class has clearly failed to sustain its burden of overcoming these presumptions. Whether the assessment is for the future benefit of a completed system or for the present benefit derived from a partially completed system, 1 it is clear that the Class was indeed properly assessed for the sewer system improvement.

The judgment below is affirmed.


1 It is also clear that the assessments are contributions for a completed system, regardless of whether the Class is deemed to have been benefitted by partial completion. We have no reason to doubt that the City will complete the system and provide sewer service to the Class. Having levied assessments against the Class, the City has entitled the Class to a completed system and the Class is not without legal recourse to enforce this right should the City fail to complete the sewer.


46 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: beaversmom
Did McCain already speak? What did he say?

I'm at the office, I have no idea. I wish people would update us with information instead of fussing with one another.
47 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:16 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: truthluva

Amen—much more of this namby-pamby stuff from Ol’”Fighter Pilot” and we’re toast.

Maybe instead of an elephant, we can adopt Wile-E-Coyote as our mascot.

As I said on anyother thread, all these sons of the rich and powerful: “Fighter jock”, “Poker Player”, “Stategery” “Yale MBA” blah blah blah—and what’s the end result of all these hotshots going head to head with Nagin, the Dem Congresscreeps, Obama, anyone? Getting played like a fiddle by a bunch of scum as our country is slipping away.

I hope to God I’m wrong and Mac uncorks a KO punch. God, I hope so. But he’s burnin’ daylight.


48 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:17 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (Joe Biden behind a microphone is like Ted Kennedy behind a steering wheel)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Totally off topic brownsfan, but,,,Browns looked pretty good last night! I was surprised!”

No more surprised than me, or those of us in NE Ohio who follow the Browns. Pretty shocking.


49 posted on 10/14/2008 7:17:50 AM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

Sorry to shout, but DID MCCAIN SPEAK AT THE PRESSER YET??


50 posted on 10/14/2008 7:18:13 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Red Badger

I don’t trust the squirrels with the ACORNs they are gathering.


51 posted on 10/14/2008 7:19:15 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: snarkytart

I don’t think we are going to get an answer.


52 posted on 10/14/2008 7:19:44 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: mbarker12474

Don’t forget:

“I’d rather lose an election than say unkind things about the ACORN workers.”

Geeeze.


53 posted on 10/14/2008 7:19:47 AM PDT by Reagan69
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To: blondee123

He taxes health benefits, but give a $5000 tax credit to offset the tax increase. So unless you are in the top tax bracket, you probably will gain more than you lose. If your employer pays 15K for your health plan, and you are in the 28% bracket, then your tax liability would be $4200 with a tax credit of 5K, so you get an extra $800 cash.


54 posted on 10/14/2008 7:19:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Government that is powerful enough to protect you is only one election away from attacking you.)
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To: beaversmom

No..this place is nutty half the time. *sighs*


55 posted on 10/14/2008 7:20:35 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

It looks like it is representatives from his campaign, not McCain himself


56 posted on 10/14/2008 7:21:14 AM PDT by Columbo (Just one more thing....)
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To: Aquinasfan

Obama needs to be wrapped on his first job of radicalizing students when he was hired by ayers.

obama BANKRUPTED his first foundation.

is this good for our ecconomy?


57 posted on 10/14/2008 7:21:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: weston
we are in deep deep doo doo

We have been in deep doo doo since the Lefties figured out that the Republican party has no spine. They're allowed to get away with anything, and the 'pubbies nodded, winked, shook hands and smiled the whole friggin' time.

Compassionate Conservative my hiney.

58 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:07 AM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: snarkytart; beaversmom

FR use to have the best live threads. We lost the ‘keepers of the live threads’ during the Giuliani purge.


59 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:19 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Columbo

Thank you.


60 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:28 AM PDT by snarkytart
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