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Posted on 10/22/2008 9:25:20 AM PDT by Jack Black
I've lived through some turbulent years of American history, but I have never seen our country more polarized, more divided, more ripe for dare I say it? breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement. I admit I'm unafraid of radical ideas if those radical ideas are just, righteous, moral and godly. I believe it's time for radical ideas just as it was time in 1776. Frankly, I don't see a way to unite a people as divided as Americans are today. We are trying to pretend we're one nation when we are really two. One of those two nations clings to the promises and covenants of the past, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, as the guiding principles. The other believes in and lives with no immutable standards. It's not a Republican vs. Democrat split as the current election illustrates. I know many Republicans would find themselves more comfortable in the country of no standards. I also suspect many Democrats would actually find themselves more at home in the nation of the Bible, Declaration and Constitution. Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider?
Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider? When there are no new lands to discover, what choice do we have?
There's only one way to recapture the greatness of America. That is to start over with only those willing to play by the rules. Let those who don't believe in rules have their own country to destroy.
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I’ll drink to that. Dr. Walter Williams suggested that in 2000, a peaceful split. The alternative is something out of Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War II” or something you you read on John Titor.
The divisions that can not be bridged are moral. No more than you can expect or should expect the devil to accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour.
He sure makes a lot of sense.
Barring God actually changing the other sides minds and hearts, there will be no reconciling our set of beliefs and theirs.
And finding a set of laws that fairly governs two such disparate groups of people is impossible.
No longer! We’re completely divided and I doubt we’ll ever be able to put it back together. We’re headed for some kind of seperation...which will be ok with me.
There will not be a division of the country there will be something much worse than a polite split when the reset button is pushed on America. The left been hammering that button God help them if they succeed because we will not go silently into the night.
“We are trying to pretend we’re one nation when we are really two.”
Truer words were never spoken. The great omission in our Constitution is that it does not describe a way that states can expel other states from the Union. Had MA been dumped long ago, it may have served as a warning to others that adopting Socialism is anti-American.
A mass migration of conservatives to Texas, replace Rick Perry with Ted Nugent and secede.
I’m serious. Hang together or hang separately. The U.S. is turning a corner into a really ugly place.
“If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”
George Washington, at Valley Forge.
The names of changed but the threat to our freedom is just as real today. I would say more so.
I really don't want to be united with New York, for instance. The land of Schumer, Clinton, Wall Street bandits, the evil Federal Reserve Bank, Goldman-Sachs and JP Morgan and their band of thieves like Paulson, Ruben and Corizine. The NY Media elites with their endless liberal spin - Olberman, etc.
Anyway, we might need a new flag for the Red States. How about an old one:
I think we do need to practice triage where there are some areas that cannot be saved, other areas solidly with us, and some in between that with some work, can be saved. The areas that cannot be saved are the hard core Blue areas, let the libs have those, we take the rest and go about our ways. Then if and when they blow themselves up, we will have to go in and fix things. In that case, we need to be like Ben Raines in “Out of Ashes” and set up ground rules for admission back in the union.
I truly believe secession (hopefully peaceful) would be better than being under a BHO regime.
I’m in for Operation Texadus! Except I don’t have to move.
With the bomb plots and thugary from the left, the civil war is already here. But like the WOT, every community is treating it as mere vandalism and not a national conspiracy to intimidate Republican voters.
I have no problem with “breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement.” Obama and Biden are telegraphing what they will do. I took Biden’s cryptic ramblings the other day as a signal to Americans that they will hasten “change” to a full-fledged socialist system. Powell didn’t use the word “transformational” for nothing.
Had the Supreme Court gone 5-4 the other way in the Heller decision, a true secessionist movement might already be underway.
Texas has more people than it needs right now, thank you very much.
I’ve thought for years that this is not one or two countries, but as many as five. The splits are ideological, cultural, religious, economic and geographic. I first came to this realization at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. While I was aghast at the barbarism of the bombing, I didn’t immediately feel it was an “American” bombing - I’d never been to Oklahoma City, don’t know anybody from Oklahoma City and know very little about the city or state. It may as well have been in France, for as much as it registered beyond the human impact.
And I don’t say that with any disrespect intended at all to that part of the country or its residents. I suspect that if a major catastrophe happened in Baltimore tomorrow, there are a fair amount of people in the U.S. who wouldn’t even know where Baltimore *is* and wouldn’t have the same feelings as somebody living in the mid-Atlantic would.
While I know that it’s completely unrealistic, I think the U.S. should be divided into five geographically separate countries - northeast, southeast, midwest, south and west. I think that everybody would feel much more comfortable and it would help ease some of the tensions we all feel. I don’t think these entities would for a minute have to be enemies - I’d certainly encourage free trade, free travel between the entities, etc., but have a capital in each of the five in order for people to feel better represented and closer to their government than they currently do.
This is what is so laughable about Obama sayng he can bring us together. After the last eight year of liberal behavior and the nasty things they say they think somehow that everything will be ok after Nov 4th? I don’t think so! They have caused this divide and they have a fantasty about fixing it while they throw insults about racists, rednecks, and rubes? I say wall the big cities in and let them survive on their own
Give the east coast and the West coast to liberals and un-family, un-traditional group of people.
Rest is the America we can live in in peace!
I wasn’t asking permission.
How about this flag? http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-gonz.gif
The thought has crossed my mind many times. The civil war is coming, hopefully I will be gone by then[I’m 46].
For fun, what would you call the new country? Workersland?
I have no concept of taking what I did not work for. I must be from another country, no, another planet!!
While my head might nod in agreement, my heart is heavy at the thought. I’m a southerner, born and raised...the South is still recovering from the Civil War, and old hurts don’t die they just fester deeper under the skin. And, the patriot in me despairs that the flag my ancestors and I have defended in uniform would be so split again in a similar fashion. No, I say fight on, fight on, fight on. Never surrender, never give up. My children deserve better from me than for me to give up! We must stay true to our constitution and demand that our representatives do the same. We must continue to work at this republic that we love and cherish. I will NOT hand it over to these scoundrels! All of the USA is worth fighting for!
And, since we have the guns, we will eventually take it back. I'll be behind enemy lines in occupied New Jersey, an aging sleeper agent!
Its going to happen sooner or later. Bank on it! The only real question is ballot box or ammo box.
Secession is fighting for the country. It’s undoing the damage one state at a time.
When the communist takeover is complete, there will be nobody left to fight. We’ll be crushed.
Good plan. I already escaped from the PRNJ and came to Texas, FA (Free America - for those not familiar with "Red Dawn"). I do have family that will likely be refugees in the event of a split, and we Jews already have experience picking up everything and moving from a land of slavery and worship of the ruler to a free land.
What part of “Protect and Defend the Constitution of the USA against all enemies foreign and domestic” do you cowards not understand?
We'll need better border controls to keep out the infiltrators.
The democrats would change that line to “One world community, under Obama, religion invisible to all”.
Kick out all the illegals, and voila! Room for freedom fighters.
You're right. We need to expel all the illegals to make room for more conservative Americans. ;-)
We’re useless to you in re-education camps.
Pack up and head for Texas. We’ll work on talking California back in good time.
I’ve read 2 1/2 of the “Out of the Ashes” series. The Tri States do not survive, although I gather they are reconstituted later on.
The books were written in the mid-1980’s. I do fear we are at that point, again. However, if not for nuclear war, disease and the decision of most of the military to not chose sides, there would have been no way for Raines and his people to amass all the gold/silver/stones to back their currency or to salvage all the tools and weapons needed to set up a functioning economy.
I am drawn to this sort of novel just to see how the authors manage the logistics. The liberals would rather see the tools rot in Detroit than let one conservative have anything. An extraction/ag economy in the Inter-Mountain West still needs shipping and the unions and Blue states control the ports. Water is scarce in parts of the West. The one underpopulated country I am aware of with a valuable extraction/commodity economy is Australia and they are socialist.
I know that the progressives are aware of this sort of scenario and they would make sure there is a Global currency/monetary policy and economy before they would counterance a conservative society. It would be a handful of folks against the entire world.
While it can be simple to set up parameters in a novel, it is much more difficult in real life. I really fear that we will have to go through some sort of total meltdown and savage decimation of society and individual life before we could rebuild. Most of us would not survive it.Copy of this to Travis McGee for comment. His series seems to me to take a more realistic approach. We are going to have to fight for this nation, IMO.
and I thought that maybe I was the only person in the Country that could not live under a Hussein regime.
What about the good people of those states we leave behind? Are their homes, their businesses, their land not worth fighting for, too? Secession would not end the creep of communism or socialism—it would merely redraw the lines. I am an eternal optimist in that I believe in the eventual desire of mankind for freedom from tyranny and oppression. Those systems would not last—my Bible tells me so! Yes, the way would be bloody to endure, and cost lives and dash hopes and be dreary as h*ll, but I have faith that good would prevail. I dare not give up—what would I ever say to George Washington when I get to heaven? (smile!)
Not cowards, realists. Liberals will never represent my values or beliefs, and in truth, if we are truly believing in the constitution, we absolutely should not expect them to. When this country was founded, morality was shared. It was universal here. The founding fathers could not have forseen immorality here as it is today,ergo, it was unmentioned. Only half the country feels as I do, the other half, is opposite. Both deserve to be represented, neither will be under one country, especially if the Federal Gvt does not stop over stepping states rights altoghether.
A strict immigration policy heavily weighted again liberals and biased towards merit would need to be established. After all, as their country crumbled under their own idiocy, they’d be clawing to get into the one still based on the Constitution and the Founders’ intent.
I live west of the Bread Basket of the Confederacy (Shenandoah Valley) from the Blue Ridge in the Allegheny Highlands, and I’ll wave at you from my ridge! Got plenty of veggies out of the garden, the deer are fat, cider is getting hard in the cellar & have enough bullets to last for several years. We’re ready.
Don't leave them behind. That's the whole point of this.
I don't see secession as giving up. I see staying put and hoping to work within a system that has been wholly corrupted futile. Our chances for survival are exponentially better in an independent Republic of Texas than they will be in Barack Hussein Obama's America.
From a financial view, those of us living in the Northeast and on the West Coast would be better off financially without the Red States to subsidize with our tax dollars.
What is the series that Travis wrote?
I’m beginning -I think -to understand the Tower of Babel. I have close friends and colleagues that start talking Obama-I swear I don’t understand them-
I’ve heard this trope many times, that we on the coast are “subsidizing” the “red states,” but I’ve never seen what exactly that means. How exactly are my tax dollars (and yours, I presume) being used to keep (I guess) southern and midwestern states afloat? Can you provide examples?
Secession would be the wrong answer. If there were a CWII it would be to re-establish the constitution and the republic and to do what should have been done in 1865 — throw out the democrat party, outlaw it and if necessary hang the traitorous leadership of the party. Those who don’t like it can move Canada, Mexico or France where they might feel more comfortable.
Travis has been pinged! (He’s a co-owner of the CWII ping list)