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To: ZULU

How true...but the founding fathers probably could easily picture a man of Obama’s stature winning the presidency if they knew that God has been virtually removed from our society. The “Separation” issue was to keep the government out of religion..not necessarily keeping religious beliefs out of government. We’ve moved from separation of church and state...towards separation of church and society. When you remove God from society what do you get? You get global warming as the most important issue because that is the left’s religion. You get media who simply does not believe in God and believes the end justifies the mean....you get liberals working hand and hand together in Congress, the courts and the White House...and you paint those who still do believe in God as ultra-fringe right extremists....

The founding fathers never thought democracy could work without a strong moral foundation...we’ve lost that foundation and if the founding fathers could have seen that they’d wouldn’t be surprised that Obama is so close to being elected president.


31 posted on 10/26/2008 7:27:47 PM PDT by Illinois Rep
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To: Illinois Rep

“The founding fathers never thought democracy could work without a strong moral foundation...we’ve lost that foundation and if the founding fathers could have seen that they’d wouldn’t be surprised that Obama is so close to being elected president.”

There is an ancient Roman proverb that goes, Leisure without Knowledge is Death. We could say that “democracy” without core moral principles is death. With Obama we stand on the brink of a tyranny in the sense that word was understood in Ancient Greece - a tyrant being someone who seizes power through extra-constitutional means with popular support.


84 posted on 10/26/2008 9:47:02 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams October 11, 1798

Have you ever found in history, one single example of a Nation thoroughly corrupted that was afterwards restored to virtue?...And without virtue, there can be no political liberty...

John Adams, from letter to Thomas Jefferson.

The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty. John Adams June 1776

116 posted on 10/27/2008 3:21:36 PM PDT by boxlunch
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