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An economical battery of guns for the backwoods home
Backwoods Home ^ | 10-27-08 | Massad Ayoob

Posted on 10/28/2008 6:05:08 PM PDT by SJackson

Everything's getting more expensive. Food. Gasoline. Guns and ammunition. Not everyone who appreciates the rural lifestyle was "born with a gun in their hand" the way some of us feel as if we've been. Many are urban-dwellers who've figured out for themselves that living closer to nature is a better way, and nothing from their previous metropolitan lifestyle has prepared them for their sudden realization that firearms are important, routinely-used tools for those who live "in the country."

Reading is good, but training is better. My advice to the people new to guns would be to take a firearms safety course before buying their first firearm. It'll give them a better idea of what they want, what they need, and what will suit them in terms of the size, the power, and the mechanics of the many, many firearms they have the option of buying. Your local office of the state Fish and Wildlife Department will be able to steer you toward hunter safety and firearms safety courses. As adult education goes, these courses are extremely affordable. If self-defense is your primary concern, your local gun shop or police department can direct you to armed citizen training programs. Most of these are geared toward folks about to apply for concealed carry permits, but the advice encompassed in their curricula are essential even for those only concerned with defending the home against violent intrusion.

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To: glock rocks

$4 a shot if you buy AP at the gunshow. $3.50 for FJ’s.


61 posted on 10/28/2008 7:11:17 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Osage Orange

There’s no such thing as “enough guns”.


62 posted on 10/28/2008 7:18:31 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: SJackson
Your choice of Massad Ayoob as a resource is the best there is today.

I recommend taking an NRA safety course.

baruch HaShem

63 posted on 10/28/2008 7:21:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Hawthorn
"The tone of your question suggests you don't yet know enough about handguns to use a semi-automatic. If I'm right, then you don't want a Glock. The reliability and safety factors dictate (IMHO) that if you're sure you want a handgun, then by all means you should get a revolver — probaly a .38 special or a .357." i agree if you are not an avid shooter not having a external safety can be well just dangerous. On a Glock once the first trigger is depressed the weapon will discharge with no further action required when the large second trigger is depressed so if your finger is in the trigger guard and you panic squeeze it the gun will discharge, what your finger is doing inside the trigger guard in the first place with the weapon pointed at someone without you intending to kill the person is a question for your firearms instructor. your weapon should be at low ready with your finger on the outside of the trigger guard when you are not intending to immediately kill the person you are looking at. That being said as for reliablility my Glocks have been trough hell and back, dirt, mud grim,lack of cleaning from a long weekend of shooting 500+ rounds without so much as a swab or clp and not a single one has ever fail to fire first time every time. They are tuff machines, even after all the abuse a little breakfree and some CLP lube protect and all is like new. learn to shoot then get a Glock it could save your life one day.
64 posted on 10/28/2008 7:22:09 PM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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To: SJackson

I currently own a S&W 9mm and a 12-guage pump-action shotgun. I traded a Romanian AK for the shotgun due to being unable to get the right ammo for it.

I’m hoping to either get on a fire department or get a second job in the next month, and along with a new car, a few more guns will probably be on my list of things to get. I’ll probably get an AR-15 and a .308 bolt-action.


65 posted on 10/28/2008 7:25:20 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Let 'em learn the hard way, 'cause teaching them is more trouble than they're worth,")
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To: SJackson

I thought that was the recommended carry on a hike.


66 posted on 10/28/2008 7:28:03 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: JDinAustin

I have two lists for the four guns. The first is the idealist list and the second is the practical list.

Idealist list:

Barrett 50 cal (probably bolt action for reliability), Remington 870 marine 12ga, Colt M-16, Nighthawk 45ACP.

Practical list:

Springfield M1A .308, Mossberg 500 12ga, Ruger Ranch Rifle .223, Glock 19.


67 posted on 10/28/2008 7:28:46 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: tacticalogic

ROFLOL!


68 posted on 10/28/2008 7:33:58 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: JDinAustin

Aaahhh I forgot about the .22. For the ideal list I would not splurge and would go with the Ruger 77/22 bolt action. For the practical list I would go either with the semi-auto rifles like the Ruger 10/22 or the Marlin M60.


69 posted on 10/28/2008 7:39:07 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: MtnClimber
Ruger 10/22

I was at the pawn shop today, and they had a 10/22 stainless with a hammer forged bull barrel and a neon blue neoprene stock. The guy at the pawn shop said that's the second 10/22 he's gotten with that stock, and the other one, gone now, was hot pink.

70 posted on 10/28/2008 7:53:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: stompk

Midway sells bulk in 500 and 1000 rounds. Ammoman doesn’t ship to Illinois residents so that leaves me out of the loop.


71 posted on 10/28/2008 8:14:23 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: tacticalogic

The reduction in price for an ugly stock is probably enough to buy a Hogue stock before you put the ugly stock in the fireplace to see if it will burn!


72 posted on 10/28/2008 8:15:59 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: MtnClimber
Many NRA handgun safety course instructors have guns you can use (you need to ask). I would recommend taking the course prior to selecting a handgun since it helps you evaluate the different safety considerations.

Absolutely correct. I should have said that in my post. I often allow clients to shoot my firearms. However I have one personal iron clad rule besides all the safety rules: Everybody, no matter what their level of experience, that takes my class, they start on the line with one of my .22LR handguns. If they are a novice they use my Ruger Super Single Six SA. That's another layer of safety.

I watch everybody's technique and safety after the class and throughout the range phase. But everybody from total novice to Airborne Ranger starts on the 22, even if they brought their own. Proper technique and more importantly IMPROPER technique is easier to diagnose with the low recoil/flash/noise of a 22.

73 posted on 10/28/2008 8:37:12 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Harry Wurzbach

There are many that argue that 9mm doesn’t have enough stopping power, however being a NATO round and used by our military, ammo is plentiful and cheap. It is also so common, the chances of you being able to supplement your supply after a skirmish is high. Believe me, they make 9mm rounds with PLENTY of stopping power. I have a Glock 19 and love it.


74 posted on 10/28/2008 9:00:46 PM PDT by Boiling point (If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.)
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To: JDinAustin

I have always suspected that a G17 barrel would fit in a G19 and protrude in front of the slide. If for example one had a need for room to add threads to the end of the barrel. Will they interchange?


75 posted on 10/28/2008 9:05:02 PM PDT by Boiling point (If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.)
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To: Hawthorn
To the burglar’s ear, there’s no sound scarier than the racking of a shotgun in the the black of night!

Popular urban myth. Sounds great and makes sense but there is a caveat: If a burglar knowingly entered an occupied home it means he is prepared to deal with you should you try and crash his party. Also, lots of gang bangers have been volunteering for the military then volunteering for combat as a sort of on the job training. Buddies of mine in the theater say Baghdad has more gang graffiti than South Central L.A. Point is, racking a shottie just might give away your position and cause the perp to open up. If you've got family in rooms near the line of fire, that's bad.

Then there is this: The reliability and safety factors dictate (IMHO) that if you’re sure you want a handgun, then by all means you should get a revolver — probaly a .38 special or a .357.

I also disagree with this. I mean it's not necessarily bad advice, but it's another urban myth. Cops get taken off the street into the academy and many have never held a handgun in their lives. They are taught to handle a semi auto to dept and state standards. A good instructor can teach anybody to handle any firearm regardless of the type of action. Including immediate action drills until they're as natural as breathing.

Although the basic diameter of the 38 is the same as the 9mm, I think you'll find a lot more recoil is present in the revolver. That recoil is going to compound the troubles with fast accurate followup shots. Also there is the difficulty to be had in reloading under pressure with a revolver. Finally there is that higher capacity. True it should never be needed since the good guy is going to remove the threat with the first controlled pair into the target, but I have to say that when I carry my Sig P226 in 9mm with the ultra hi-cap mags by Mec-Gar it's a nice warm and comforting feeling to know I've got 18+1 rds ready to launch and another 18 rds in the back up mag. Very comforting. Especially on those family vacations to rural North Carolina, where uniformed help is sometimes a very long way away.

76 posted on 10/28/2008 9:08:01 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

That’s why I keep a shell in the chamber. I just slide the saftey and I’m ready to go. Totally silent.

In the unlikely event I want to scare the intruder, I’ll rack it and be ready with the next shell. I just can’t imagine ANY scenerio where I would want to do that though. If someone is in my house uninvited at night we’re way past any niceties such as warnings.


77 posted on 10/28/2008 9:25:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: tacticalogic

Does Woodpecker really taste like Spotted Owl?


78 posted on 10/28/2008 9:25:51 PM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Petruchio

No, Baby Seal.


79 posted on 10/29/2008 1:30:39 AM PDT by Ricebug
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To: B4Ranch

Whenever my wife complains about “another gun”, I just tell her that I’m doing my part to keep guns off the street. She has no idea how successful I’ve been.


80 posted on 10/29/2008 3:10:10 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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