[grantinev]

Ah sh&t. OK, I’ll just address one of your points where you are wrong, because for the most part I agree with you. But there is a reason the pendulum has swung so far the other way, and it has to do with the willingness on both sides to believe the baloney they’re fed by people trying to manipulate them. And I’m going to get plonked for this, because some of you knee-jerk freepers think that anybody who is interested in moving forward is somehow a Communist.

Okay, here goes. As much as I support life, it’s total crap that Obama voted for killing babies who survived abortion. Read a goddamned neutral source on this. The bill in Illinois guaranteed this right, and Obama voted against it. That much is absolute fact. What is stupid to ignore (hey — did it help us to win the election?) is that Illinois already HAD a law protecting that baby. Whether or not the new law passed, the baby was protected. The new law was going to OVERTURN the old law, but the new law was different NOT because of the baby survival issue, but because it made it harder to gain consent for abortions, and THAT BHO disagreed with. He was a turd to feel this way, but for godsakes, can’t we get at actual facts??

The devil himself isn’t stupid enough to vote to kill a baby who survives an abortion. And Obama’s genius was in stating his defense about one time, and then just ignoring this charge. It was a self-inflicted wound people. Hello?? Are we going to be laughed out of the political scene because we are as blind as the libs who we hate on the other side?? Gimme a break. Look, if you want to plonk me, go right ahead.

I’m getting really really tired of dealing with such ignorant people (I mean freepers), even if I love them and agree with them. You people are bringing the Republican party DOWN — and you are so self-righteous about it. I think you’re ALL plants of George Soros or something, calculated to make the Conservative cause look absolutely infantile!!! Every post I get “oh, he must be a plant” or “oh, he must be lurking”. If you feel that way, get rid of me and go suck your thumb — although that’s gonna be a bit difficult with your head in the sand, or somewhere else where the sun don’t shine.

[mrsmel]

I appreciate the reply and the lesson, you needn't have been so patronising, I'm always willing to learn and never take offense to it. But I believe that though I may not know the fine points and the hair splitting, my point still stands. I still see nothing in that one's agenda behind which I, or any conservative, could possibly unite. Just the mere fact that he's president? How far do we go with that? If in some parallel universe David Duke was elected president, would we all be required to respect him and unite behind him because of the office he held? In my opinion, that one is David Duke's negative, only more subtle and sophisticated about it, as minorities with a racialist viewpoint think they must be to "get over" on we "oppressive" whites, until they gain a position of power. Then they accuse us of every sin in the book, in order to excuse their own blatant prejudice. And that's apart from his entire worldview which I abhor.