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Vanity: Only Ourselves to Blame
vanity | Nov 5, 2008 | Natural Law

Posted on 11/05/2008 12:57:38 PM PST by Natural Law

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To: Perdogg

If McCain would have dropped dead or become incapacitated from a stroke or heart attack, who would have replaced him?

Ok that is the one that should have run in the first place!


21 posted on 11/05/2008 1:33:15 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Obama's Marxism--Chains you can believe in)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
Is yet another dim witted fool. because what is being said, is that barry’s victory was because the neo conservatives could not see past their ego’s and refused to vote for McCain/Palin.

It appears you are another "blame the voter" type.

Since when are voters obligated to vote for any candidate?

Since when does any candidate own or get to assume anyone's vote?

If a candidate cannot earn votes on their own strength then they do not deserve to win elections and anyone-but-the-opponent votes are not earned votes!

IOW, McCain did not earn votes and did not deserve to win!

22 posted on 11/05/2008 1:37:42 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Obama's Marxism--Chains you can believe in)
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To: Natural Law
We were pretty much doomed from the start with our Presidential candidates:

McCain and Romney: RINOs who compromised too much with the enemy.
Giuliani: Country-clubber who sucked up to the social leftists.
Thompson: No fire in the belly for the job, got off to a bad start for that reason.
Huckabee: Nanny-stater who was a one trick pony (minister).
Ron Paul: Nutjob.
Tancredo: One-trick pony on immigration, apparently enough people in the US don't care.
Brownback, Hunter, T. Thompson: Didn't spend enough time before 2008 trying to get themselves known on all three 24/7 news channels, so they relied on their Presidential campaigns to do that.

23 posted on 11/05/2008 1:37:55 PM PST by hunter112 (We are the John Galt we've been waiting for.)
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To: Perdogg
Who should we have nominated? Duncan “0.5% in the SC primary” Hunter?

Hunter never had a chance but, that is not the problem. The problem was there were no true electable conservatives on the horizon one to two years before the primaries.

After the Republicans lost Congress in 2006, my first thought was "surely the party will realize its leftward movement was unpopular and a realignment will soon take place."

Was I ever wrong. Immediately the party elite (and many here on FR) started blaming conservatives for the loss. It was our fault for not supporting these "moderate Republicans." We sat home - or so it was said.

Soon the presidential primaries started and once again left leaning Republicans were being pushed on us big time. So many members of FR were on the Rudy bandwagon a purge was enacted just to clear the air. Look who all of the viable candidates were: McCain, Rudy, Romney. McCain may very well have been the most conservative of the bunch.

So once again the Republicans ran a moderate for office and got an ass whooping. McCain's run for the independents netted him a whopping 39% of that group. Once again we are telling ourselves 2 years of Obama will drive people back to conservatism.

I am not holding my breath.

24 posted on 11/05/2008 1:40:16 PM PST by CharacterCounts (Wanted: Snappy, erudite tag line.)
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To: Natural Law
Conservatism didn’t fail us, we failed it.

Speak for yourself.

25 posted on 11/05/2008 1:45:50 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: skikvt

Even a series of nationwide runoffs would be better and cheaper.

Say 3 runoff races over the course of a year. Anyone who wants in has to be in by a certain date and once they’re out they’re out. Last two men standing six months before the general are in the last runoff race. Winner goes to the main event.


26 posted on 11/05/2008 1:46:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: hunter112
"We were pretty much doomed from the start with our Presidential candidates..."

We are pretty much doomed by our party structure. The names that did and did not appear in the primaries is a reflection of the GOP, who is running it, and how it is run. With the amount of money and influence involved the party is an oligarchical organization with money and support handed out in a quit pro quo and patronage system. Somehow we need to either rectify this or take our football, money, and votes and go elsewhere.

27 posted on 11/05/2008 1:46:45 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Looks like some fell for scams, too.....

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/congratulations-to-president-elect-obama

I tried everything to get a post through and even talking NICE about Obama (nearly gagging on my keyboard) and didn’t work.
someone came through as “hillbuzz” and said they’d all been scammed.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 1:54:58 PM PST by shadowspapa (Time to regroup! Not surrender.......)
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To: Natural Law

“With the amount of money and influence involved the party is an oligarchical organization with money and support handed out in a quit pro quo and patronage system”

I agree completely, we have lost many seats because of challengers that were not funded or obstructed because they dared challenge one of the good old boys who thought it was his turn.


29 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:54 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Can we avoid"Tobacco Road" on the "Road to Surfdom"?)
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To: Natural Law
Here is an idea. Remember the rantblogger project? Lets do it here and now. Most of us will consider a gun purchase before Obama officially becomes president. Why not select a particular day. That day to remind, would be, tyrants that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,” makes it inevitable that patriots will have a gun. Leave your email here, and check back if you’re interested http://libertytrees.blogspot.com/ . It may be better to move up our previous April 15th and July 9th buy a gun days because it may be more difficult to buy one on after Barack Hussein Obama is sworn in. We have the same problem if we wait until 6/26/09 to commemorate District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ___, decided on June 26, 2008.
Every purchase of a firearm is a vote for liberty against tyranny.

30 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:55 PM PST by LibertyVote
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To: spacejunkie

Even though I hate that he won, I like what you said. I think within the next year if not sooner they’re going to see how stupid they were.


31 posted on 11/05/2008 2:44:52 PM PST by musicbymuzak
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To: Eagle Eye
Oh, so I get it, if more people like blue than red then we should get rid of red.

Foolish.

Caveat emptor, let the voter beware. Of course I blame the voter. Barry did not get there with no votes did he? The people seen, heard and acted upon what they wanted. It had nothing to do with McCain or Palin, to say different is saying that the people do NOT have a right to say so themselves.

There were a hundred very good reasons NOT to vote for barry or better yet NOT TO VOTE at all, but no, these people voted on pure emotion and yes, they did so willingly and to blame McCain is foolishness.

32 posted on 11/05/2008 2:49:36 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Sarah: I'm not going to just go along to get along.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
Oh, so I get it, if more people like blue than red then we should get rid of red.Foolish.

Since those are your words and not mine it seems we agree to your foolishness.

Of course I blame the voter.

You were/are blaming those who didn't vote for McCain. Blaming Obama voters is foolish...Obama and the Democrats are competition. BLaming them is like blaming the opposing players for beating your team! Duh and foolish!

to blame McCain is foolishness.

Blaming McCain for losing is foolish? Bwahahahahaaa, did you say that McCain shouldn't be blamed for running a campaign that couldn't beat an unaccomplished nobody with criminal antiAmerican associate??

Yeah, right...

33 posted on 11/05/2008 4:59:39 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Obama's Marxism--Chains you can believe in)
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To: Eagle Eye
Please do not get me wrong. All I am saying is that the voters votted for the person who best matched their ideals.

Since there was a great gulf between the platform of McCain/Palin and barry/biden one must assume those who voted for barry did so because they found NOTHING appealing with anything that Sarah or John (yes note the order) had to offer.

Given the choice between a fishing rod and a fish, they chose the fish. Can we really blame the salesman for not selling the fishing rod, when all they WANTED was a fish?

Please know that I am not “blaming” anyone for voting for barry, they did so of their own free will. What I am NOT doing is blaming McCain for them doing so.

I bet you can tell me more than a dozen reasons why you would never vote for barry, but not one single good reason why anyone would?

How do you beat that, when the MSM is 100% behind barry and his ‘change” philosophy and NOT ONE person knows yet, what the change is or will be.

All I am saying, in an illogical war, logic will always be useless. Yesterday proved that.

Hey, know hard feelings right

34 posted on 11/05/2008 5:37:13 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Sarah: I'm not going to just go along to get along.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
All I am saying, in an illogical war, logic will always be useless. Yesterday proved that.

You got that right!

IMO the truth to it all is that people are tired of the war and blaming Bush instead of the Dems who intentionally prolonged it with their opposition as well as tired of the current economy as portrayed by the MSM instead of, again, looking at the worst Congress in decades who, by the way, is Democratically controlled.

They wanted some thing different, totally different and they got it.

McCain ran a McCain style campaign, little passion, a bit disjointed and way too friendly to his opposition. He never took the gloves off and took the nuke options off the table before the battles began.

35 posted on 11/05/2008 5:46:26 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Obama's Marxism--Chains you can believe in)
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To: Eagle Eye
McCain ran a McCain style campaign, little passion, a bit disjointed and way too friendly to his opposition. He never took the gloves off and took the nuke options off the table before the battles began.

No disagreement here. We have four years to learn from the things we could have done better this time. I would think that there will be many who voted this time, very ready to defect.
36 posted on 11/05/2008 6:14:48 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Sarah: I'm not going to just go along to get along.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Right! And we were fighting a multi-front battle which included the MSM this time more than ever, and McCain’s campaign style.
The MSM was the worst............

They should have let Sarah do her own thing, IMO.


37 posted on 11/06/2008 5:32:25 AM PST by shadowspapa (Time to regroup! Not surrender.......)
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