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1 posted on 11/06/2008 6:33:13 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

The collective IQ of America is dropping every year.


2 posted on 11/06/2008 6:34:28 AM PST by AU72
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To: Sopater

Note to “conservatives”. If you voted for Obama. You are not.


3 posted on 11/06/2008 6:35:12 AM PST by Caper29
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To: Sopater

Rush frequently cites a very large scale, well-designed study in which upwards of 70% of people describe themselves as conservative.

Yet, you will read even here on FR that conservatives need to “move toward the middle” and worship the almighty independents and moderates.


5 posted on 11/06/2008 6:37:53 AM PST by EyeGuy (Obama will deliver America on a Leash to an envious world.)
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To: Sopater

What does “conservative” mean to these people? I’d be interested in what that definition is.


8 posted on 11/06/2008 6:43:26 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Sopater

Self-proclamation does NOT equal actuality.


9 posted on 11/06/2008 6:43:59 AM PST by fortunate sun (Proud Palinista!)
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To: Sopater
If you think about it in the context of the election results, this makes sense. BHO had to run as a tax cutting, gun loving, power to the people centrist to get elected. In other words, he ran as a "compassionate conservative". If he had run as the socialist he really is, he would have been routed.

To win this election, the GOP needed to cut through BHO's lies to expose who he really is. They started to do this toward the end of the election, but it was too late. Most Americans are not inquisitive enough to find the truth themselves, so they rely on the campaigns and the Pravda media get information about the candidates. When a Dem socialist tries to portray himself as a tax cutting moderate, the GOP candidate has to attack this from day one.

It also didn't help that, at least on economic issues, there wasn't much distinction between McCain and Obama during the bailout. I'm convinced that McCain would have won if he had come out against the bailout.

11 posted on 11/06/2008 6:46:40 AM PST by bailmeout ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - G Orwell)
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Another related post:
We are still a nation of Conservatives
12 posted on 11/06/2008 6:46:51 AM PST by rvoitier
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Liberals don’t call themselves liberals anymore.


13 posted on 11/06/2008 6:46:54 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (My Success Is Not Determined By Who Wins Elections)
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To: Sopater
Some homosexual at work was claiming he was "conservative". Many CINOs claim that they are "Catholic".

So I would take this data with a grain of salt.

17 posted on 11/06/2008 6:57:26 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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I’m not sure that we should rely on polls of how voters describe their own politics. In my experience there aren’t a whole lot of people who have a consistent, well-thoughtout viewpoint. It all kinda smacks of rating our kids “self-esteem” in school. That & a buck will get you a cup of coffee at WaWa.

We need a conservative candidate who can effectively articulate conservatism. We haven’t really had that since Reagan. Every other Republican claiming to be a conservative has been intimidated by the Media into some sort of compromised/confused message.


20 posted on 11/06/2008 7:01:49 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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If one runs as a conservative, one will win.

McCain was repulsive to conservatives (I for one, though I voted for him as a last resort), and with Obama portraying himself as a moderate post-primaries, Conservatives could get their revenge upon McCain in particular and Republicans in general. They behaved more like drunken Democrats than conservatives!!

By the way, three states passed constitutional amendments banning homosexual marriages (one in CALIFORNIA!!!), and many of those voters also voted for Obama. Social and fiscal conservatives win. Maverick McCain moderates? Pfah!

21 posted on 11/06/2008 7:02:00 AM PST by TheGeezer
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BS... Conservative is just a better name. I have neighbors who are hard line Dems, but they refuse to be called liberals. They like to be known as conservative Dems.


24 posted on 11/06/2008 7:07:00 AM PST by nhwingut (,)
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I think the big point here is that a lot of people call themselves conservatives who are not conservative.

“Are you a conservative or a liberal?” Conservative. Liberals are stupid.

“Who did you vote for?” Obama.

“Are you for or against abortion?” For.

“Do you want socialized medicine?” Yes.

“Do you support the war and occupation of Iraq?” No. (But, invariably, “But I support the troops”)

“Did you support President Bush?” No.

“Did you vote for Republicans?” No. I voted for Democrats, but they aren’t like other Democrats.


25 posted on 11/06/2008 7:07:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Raised in this thread is the question, "What makes a citizen a conservative?" I suggest that it consists of three things: respect for the Constitution, free market economy, and free market of ideas. Thomas Jefferson was a lifelong supporter of all of those.

Keep in mind that Jefferson did NOT create the Democrat Party. He created the Republican-Democrat Party, which existed only during the eight years of his Administration. I am certain that if you visit Charlottesville you can hear a loud whirring sound. He is spinning in his grave over what the Republic has become.

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37 posted on 11/06/2008 7:18:39 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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When will everyone realize that people “LIE” to these pollsters?
They will say anything when put on the spot with questions that make them uncomfortable.

I don’t believe the results of these polls.
The election is the only poll that matters.


41 posted on 11/06/2008 7:26:29 AM PST by IceAge
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“A majority of Americans consider themselves conservative.”
This is a laughable statement, whoever it is coming from, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Most of the people who call themselves a concervative have no clue what it is. Best evidence of that was produced on November 4th.
42 posted on 11/06/2008 7:30:21 AM PST by exinnj
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34 percent claimed to be conservative in both 2004 and 2008

Well both Dole and McCain claimed to be conservatives. But denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

43 posted on 11/06/2008 7:32:15 AM PST by DouglasKC
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If the past two elections were indeed a reflection of a huge leftward shift in the national ethos, shouldn't there be a serious increase in the number of folks that view themselves as liberal, and a decrease in conservatives?

In 2006 a relatively large percentage of the Dem winners were conservative Dems. In the GOP a number of RINOs (Chafee, for example,) lost. Both parties moved to the right, but the GOP lost possession of the ball while conservatism improved its field position. I haven't looked closely at 2008 yet.

51 posted on 11/06/2008 8:05:40 AM PST by Poincare
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To: Sopater

Thanks for posting this and the related article. It seems apparent that there’s a growing rift between those folks who call themselves conservative and those who actually are conservative.


55 posted on 11/06/2008 3:21:54 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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