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Lehman's Fall and Palin Pick Did McCain In
IBD ^ | 11/6/08 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/06/2008 6:26:50 PM PST by Blackhawk73

In my previous life, I witnessed far more difficult postmortems. This one is easy:

The patient was fatally stricken on Sept. 15 — caught in the rubble when the roof fell in (at Lehman Bros., according to the police report) — although he did linger until his final, rather quiet demise on Nov. 4.

(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorials.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008veep; charleskrauthammer; issues; krauthammer; mccain; palin; postmortem; wallstreet
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To: Blackhawk73
I don't buy that Palin cost McCain the election. I'm one of those Conservatives that was not going to vote for either Presidential candidate this election cycle. Although I have great respect and admiration for McCain as a military brethern; his politics are wrong for me.

Once I understood Palin’s history and views I jumped on board and was a vocal and financial advocate for the McCain/Palin ticket.

Obviously the financial issues negatively impacted the GOP. Despite the major responsibility for the mortgage fiasco belonging to the Democrats, the GOP held the Presidency, and the party in power takes the hit, right or wrong. McCain could have handled that better.

Also, despite the possibility of picking up Penn., I think to much time was spent there. More time needed to be spent holding Ohio, Florida, Virginia. We don't have a chance without Ohio/Florida or similarly large EV states.

We now have to plan for the future, first 2010, then 2012. The Democrats own the Supreme court, the Congress, and the Presidency. I don't believe that they will do well. They either have to move to the middle thereby alienating the left, or, they have to govern from the left and alienate the middle.

Our biggest problem IMO is how do we neutralize the biased media that has stabbed America in the back?

101 posted on 11/06/2008 7:36:23 PM PST by richiep (Richie)
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To: thinkbevoyouspeak
You really believe a rational electorate weighed Sarah Palin's intellect and competence and decided it just ruined McCain for them?

This election was about Obama, not Sarah Palin. Always was. There are more reasons to select a running mate than to have the best spare president waiting around. McCain had to do something for the base and his choice was brilliant.

Just curious, but who do you think would have been a better choice?
102 posted on 11/06/2008 7:36:29 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (In Moslem mythology al-Baraq (Barack) was the horse upon which Mohammed ascended into heaven.)
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To: reasonisfaith
"Palin didn’t fail. McCain did. "

Oh yeah.
He chose her too late to benefit from the money and enthusiasm she brought.
He also didn't give her the two- three months or so any good politician would need to prepare.

For 'surprises' like this to work we need to have the convention much earlier.

103 posted on 11/06/2008 7:37:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: scory
Krauthammer doesn’t care much for social conservatives and so Sarah Palin did not sit well with him.

I posted earlier that what these elitest couldn't stand was Palin's religious beliefs and that is what drives all this BS

I have never seen any politician come through under the pressure she was put under at the Convention or the debate

One day of the MSM attacks like she was on the receiving end of would have turned Obama and Biden into thumb sucking fetal position crying babies
104 posted on 11/06/2008 7:38:25 PM PST by uncbob
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To: All

The thread originator just signed up. First posts are negativity...

Seeing a whole lot of these signed up in last few days or weeks and are here just to post red meat negativity.


105 posted on 11/06/2008 7:39:34 PM PST by FTL
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To: richiep
Our biggest problem IMO is how do we neutralize the biased media that has stabbed America in the back?

People realized the media was biased. For the first time, most people -- according to election night exit polling -- got the news from the internet. Between conservative internet sites and phenomenal talk radio audiences, I don't think we do too badly media-wise.

Legacy media still has teeth, and it was apparent that Gov. Palin did not fully appreciate this when she started. But it is an old, tired cat whose days are numbered.
106 posted on 11/06/2008 7:41:45 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (In Moslem mythology al-Baraq (Barack) was the horse upon which Mohammed ascended into heaven.)
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To: gotaz
As usual, the Senior Chief has it right :-)

(Fomer Navy JAG LT)
107 posted on 11/06/2008 7:49:46 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (In Moslem mythology al-Baraq (Barack) was the horse upon which Mohammed ascended into heaven.)
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To: thinkbevoyouspeak
This election was over 6 weeks ago. Some were blinded for a week after Palin was picked, but in the end, everything Krauthammer says in his analysis is correct. He isn’t bashing Palin - he is being honest.

Correct, but many here don't care about those facts. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/most_voters_made_up_their_minds_weeks_ago

108 posted on 11/06/2008 7:53:56 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: org.whodat
Because not enough conservatives and republicans voted for them, and there was plenty of votes available had the people decided to support them.

Think of what you're saying here, especially in the context of the point that Krauthammer attempted to make.

You're saying that not enough conservatives and Republicans voted for them -- and yet the more conservative of the two (Palin) was the one who was a drag on the ticket?

If McCain's loss is mainly attributable to low turnout among conservatives/Replublicans, then HE was actually the drag on the ticket. His pathetic poll numbers before Palin's selection would be good evidence of this. Conservatives and Republicans simply weren't buying what this "maverick" (who had spent much of his career in the Senate screwing the Republican Part) was trying to sell them.

109 posted on 11/06/2008 7:54:36 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Blackhawk73

Charles will have to get with the program or we will just have to put him on ignore.


110 posted on 11/06/2008 7:55:22 PM PST by mabelkitty (Democrats over-reaching for a mandate - smack their hand and tell them "No. Not Yours".)
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To: Blackhawk73

What is going on here? Its a full scale political campaign directed against Palin... coordinated from the Obama campaign.

If they keep this up I bet the Alaska Secession movement gets airborne really quick. I hope it does.


111 posted on 11/06/2008 8:02:11 PM PST by o2bfree
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To: Lancey Howard
I hardly saw squat from him about national security issues or the military, and the horrifying specter of "Commander-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama". It was like our troops at war didn't exist for this campaign.

Just the thought of Obama in charge of our military makes me ill

Unfortunately polls show the public has just about forgotten about the terror threat--ironically because Bush did a good job
I wish McCain had at least acknowledged that fact in the debate

McCain lost because of the MSM shilling and covering for Obama and because the American public has the memory of a rock

It was the MSM --they knew perfectly well the dems caused the mortgage crisis --but the idea of helping a black man as president was just to much to give up
112 posted on 11/06/2008 8:03:42 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Alberta's Child
If McCain's loss is mainly attributable to low turnout among conservatives/Replublicans, then HE was actually the drag on the ticket.

The ticket was the loser, mccain/palin actually only polled once ahead of obamma, and that was by only one point and for one week. "The week of September 8-14 McCain was ahead for the first time – but by only one point. Obama reclaimed a one-point lead the following week. Basically the race was tied going into the last six weeks of the campaign."http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/mccain_s_fortunes_fell_with_the_stock_market

113 posted on 11/06/2008 8:05:59 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: org.whodat

If the MSM had VETTED Obama like they did Palin and Joe the Plumber McCain despite being who he is would have won in a landslide

That is the fact of this election and all the others we have had the last decades

It is a miracle the GOP has won anything with what our schools turn out and what constitutes the MSM


114 posted on 11/06/2008 8:11:14 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Blackhawk73
You just made the list, Krauthammer. We get it. Your cocktail-sipping, Ivy League cronies didn't like Palin. That makes about 10,000 of you. But the other 20 million of us LOVED her and she motivated us to work for the ticket.

You couldn't be bothered. So enjoy your Obamanation. The socialist cr@p is going to hit rich creeps like you first and hardest.
115 posted on 11/06/2008 8:22:30 PM PST by Antoninus (Beware of so-called Republicans who trash Sarah Palin.)
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To: gotaz

Welcome to FR Senior Chief. I couldn’t agree with you more. Thanks for the great post.


116 posted on 11/06/2008 8:37:57 PM PST by vortigern (Watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8)
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To: Blackhawk73

McCain’s bungling of the Lehman Bros collapse cost him the election. Rather than naming names of who really caused the Fannie Mae destruction he played Miss Congeniality and lost gracefully.

His biggest cheer of the campaign was the one day he took the gloves off and named Dodd, Frank and Obama having their hands in the cookie jar. Rather he acted like he was in the Sinate cloak room and let Bush take the blame. He was Palin’s ball and chain.

Pray for W, Saracuda and Our Troops


117 posted on 11/06/2008 8:59:56 PM PST by bray (Rezko = Obama)
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To: o2bfree
Yep, take their oil and run. Same with Texas, take their oil and run.

The left is weird and pathetic. They are trashing her via moles in our party because they are threatened by Palin’s authenticity. You would think they would focus on their empty suit, but instead they are still obsessed with Sarah. Reagan would support Sarah, enough said. Sarah is a Conservative and would make the choices we would make. That's what we need in Washington.

118 posted on 11/06/2008 9:27:47 PM PST by ameagle
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To: uncbob
Unfortunately polls show the public has just about forgotten about the terror threat--ironically because Bush did a good job

Really? I hadn't heard...

McCain’s problem is that he had to campaign on “change”, just like the new guy. And why would people choose OLD change with McCain when they could choose NEW change with Obama?

McCain suffered because George Bush sat there like a punching bag for eight years, never having the guts to stand up and defend himself as lie after lie after lie from the rats and their newsrooms went left unanswered. Bush’s unwillingness to stand up and fight was an eight-year slap in the face to his bewildered supporters, including me.

The result was that the rat candidate could successfully tie his opponent to the easily-smeared punching bag, Bush, and the Republican candidate had little choice but to distance himself from Bush. What, McCain was supposed to defend a man who refused for eight years to defend himself? This situation left McCain between a rock and a hard place.

So yes, Tuesday’s Republican slaughter was Bush’s fault. No joke.
Ironically, Bush defeated McCain in 2000 and now again in 2008.
Whew....

That said, McCain was the guy running for President, not Bush, and so maybe he SHOULD have defended, supported, and lifted Bush to the high heavens rather than "distance" himself. Maybe if Bush had been an ally, unleashed on the campaign trail the whole game would have changed completely. That would have taken some guts, but it could have worked because the rats greatly overestimated the general public's dislike of Bush, and exit polls showed that.

What a freaking mess.... And NOW look at the steaming pantload we have for a president-elect.

119 posted on 11/06/2008 10:04:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Bull Market

Was Medved opposed to the selection of Palin?


120 posted on 11/06/2008 10:32:48 PM PST by Borges
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