Posted on 11/13/2008 9:46:23 AM PST by EternalVigilance
You’re kidding, right?
I ask for even anecdotal support, and you want me to buy a book?
Thanks, but i think it’s safe to conclude you just can’t provide the requested example.
So, you want me to do your work for you? Okay, here’s one example below. And if you are really serious about finding out about societal repentence, you will go buy a book about Finney as I suggested.
Charles P. Bush, a native of Rochester converted during the revival, later remarked:”The whole community was stirred. Religion was the topic of conversation in the house, in the shop, in the office and on the street…Grog shops were closed, the Sabbath was honored, the sanctuaries were thronged with happy worshippers…There was a wonderful falling off of crime. The courts had little to do, and the jail was nearly empty for years afterward.”
Historians say of the Rochester revival that “the place was shaken to its foundations.” More than 40 of the new converts entered the ministry and at least 1,500 revivals broke out in other towns as a result of Rochester. To his credit, Charles Finney gave God all the glory:
So where do i find out what prayers precipitated this great repentence?
In the books written about Finney. Sorry, I’m not going to go buy one and read it for you.
Excellent!
The belief that the 14th Amendment protects the yet-to-be-born is historically unfounded, Constitutionally illogical, and unconservative.
Sure, such opinions - like Roe v Wade- are rendered by the courts. But they're wrong.
Gee? What was I thinking?
Wee done neeeeed noe steeenking references!
Yours was pretty much the position of Justice Blackmun, the author of Roe vs. Wade. However, in the text of Roe, even he admitted that if the unborn are persons that they are protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
By the way, you stand in opposition to Ronald Reagan's position on life. The Reagan plank in the Republican platform explicitly asserts the personhood of the unborn and their protection by the Fourteenth Amendment.
You do stand foursquare with Gerald R. Ford, though.
It's your position that is illogical. The Constitution itself states as its ultimate purpose the securing of the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves AND OUR POSTERITY.
The only way you can change that is to change the clear and simple meaning of words.
The plank said:
“The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose the use of public revenues for abortion and will eliminate funding for organizations which advocate or support abortion.” “
http://www.rnclife.org/reports/2008/spring/
The congress does have Constitutional authority to apply 14th amendment protections to the unborn if it wishes.
President Reagan dropped the claim that “the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children” in his noteworthy June 10, 2004, “Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation” http://www.nationalreview.com/document/reagan200406101030.asp
Wow, you really are lazy. This is the last time I’ll do your work for you:
“Previous to the great revival which took place on the continent of America, before the middle of last century, certain men there had correspondence with a number of praying men on your side of the water. President Edwards wrote, setting forth the state of religion in New England, and requesting a union of prayer between the brethren there and those in Scotland. They entered into a solemn covenant to pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost, and they had not prayed long before the Holy Ghost was poured out, and Whitfield and others were sent into the field to promote the work as preachers. That revival, as history informs us, resulted in the conversion of thirty thousand persons in the United States....
... That revival had very many of the characteristics of the present movement, and its antecedent was a great spirit of prayer, on both sides of the Atlantic, for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. In the United States, to say nothing of the revivals that occurred all along locally for a great many years, from 1821 along to 1830, and 1835, particularly up to 1830, revivals were scattered here and there. On to 1830 and 1831, for some years a wonderful spirit of prayer was seen to prevail among Christians. Daily prayer meetings were held;ministers and laymen uniting together;and Christians of both sexes observed certain hours for closet concert prayer. This continued to increase, as I can bear witness, and I did what I could to promote it, till, in 1830, it burst out with a mighty power in the city of Rochester, and overflowed in every direction until it reached many places east and west, till Dr. Beecher remarked to me: ‘This is the greatest revival of religion that has been since the world began.’ 100,000 were converted this year in the United States. Taking the whole of that time, or perhaps from 1830 to 1835, there could not have been fewer than 200,000 that were converted....
In Rochester, Christians of all denominations;Baptists, Congregationalists and Presbyterians; united in the work, and daily prayer-meetings and preaching were held in the different churches in succession;the meetings moving round from church to church in a circle. So much interest began to be manifested in these meetings, that information regarding them could not longer be withheld by the secular press. The facts lay too prominently on the face of society to be ignored by the secular press. They had ignored it in great measure, but a man who is a sceptic himself as I am informed, yet editor of a paper of great importance in Rochester, having a Roman Catholic reporter, sent him to take notes of the sermons every night, and they were published next morning. He also attended the prayer-meetings in the morning, I believe, and reported them. The public demanded this;it must be done;the papers must not ignore it;they must give the intelligence to the public. As soon as this was done, it aroused the masses in every town. The daily press reported the sermons, and that brought the movement into public notice. From that the revival spread in every direction. Daily prayer-meetings were commenced, which resulted in a great many others, and the awakening gave promise of becoming general. The next winter the work commenced in Boston, and became powerful. In Boston the work continued, and, I may say, increased for two successive winters. I speak from personal knowledge, as I was present. Meantime the revival of religion in the State of New York seemed to be growing in many places. In Brooklyn, just across the ferry from New York City, a daily prayer-meeting for the revival of God’s work had been held for several months. In central and western New York a minister had given himself to the work of establishing daily prayer-meetings. In 1856, in connexion with the great revival in Rochester, N. Y., a little book had been published on daily public worship as an appointment with God. This book was circulated, and stirred up the churches in many places to hold daily meetings for prayer and conference. Evangelists, east and west, were assisting faithful pastors in preaching and holding daily prayer meetings with constant and growing success, and a mighty spirit of prayer for business men;for such men, who were neglecting their souls;spontaneously burst out. Thus it increased until 1858, when the commercial crisis occurred, previous to which New York had seemed to be on such a wave of prosperity as to be the death of revival effort. Business men were confounded, and rich families were being reduced to poverty. At this time a few individuals agreed to see if they could not get up a prayer-meeting for business men, in a business part of the city, particularly near the Exchange. This was done, and done like business men. They took pains to give public notice of these meetings, as they would notify matters of business or politics. They used the appropriate means, and it was remarked almost immediately after, ‘Now God is answering prayer; this business crisis will bring about a revival.’ A great many of us felt as if the commercial breakdown were the beginning of the whole movement in the great commercial city.
The results probably some of you know. In gathering the statistics, from week to week, from different parts of the United States, it has been estimated that the conversions numbered at least 50,000 a-week; and it has been stated that over the United States, the number who have been converted cannot be less than 500,000. The revival is still spreading though it has abated in the large cities.”
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1859%20PPM_glasgow.htm
I am still trying to understand how the Pro-Life Movement wants to enforce the Pro-Life Agenda.
I mean persuasion is one thing, something I strongly support.
But if an adult woman, after all is said and done, wants to terminate her unborn baby, what exactly are you going to do about it?
Arrest her and put her in a detention camp until she gives birth?
Seal off the borders and not let pregnant leave the state or attempt to enter a Blue State where abortion is legal?
I don’t get it, and no one has been able to answer that.
Unless of course the Pro-Life Amendment is passed, which has about a one out of a 100,000 chance of happening. Is this all just political posturing?
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