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Bishop discusses reasons behind cutoff of ACORN funding
Catholic Culture.org ^ | November 14, 2008 | CatholicCulture.org

Posted on 11/21/2008 8:22:45 AM PST by Salvation

Bishop discusses reasons behind cutoff of ACORN funding
November 14, 2008

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops yesterday released a report in which Bishop Roger Morin discussed the reasons behind the Catholic Campaign for Human Development’s decision to end funding to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).

Bishop Morin, auxiliary bishop of New Orleans and Chairman of the Subcommittee on Catholic Campaign for Human Development, explained that ‘in the past, CCHD has funded proposals from local organizations affiliated with ACORN when those activities conform to the CCHD guidelines and when the local diocesan CCHD director and the local diocesan bishop explicitly approve the proposal. Many of these local ACORN groups have done impressive work preventing home foreclosures, creating jobs opportunities, raising wages, addressing crime and improving education.’

He continued, ‘Last June, CCHD cut off funding to all ACORN groups when we learned about a major case of embezzlement eight years ago which raised serious concerns about national ACORN's financial accountability, transparency, governance and organizational integrity … More recently, the Subcommittee also became concerned about widespread reports of ACORN involvement in alleged voter registration fraud and political partisanship. As a result of the cut-off earlier this year, no CCHD funds were involved in any of these activities. However, the allegations intensified our questions and problems around ACORN's organizational integrity, competence and non-partisanship. Therefore, we extended the cut off of CCHD funding of any ACORN organizations. The Bishops' CCHD Subcommittee met November 8-9 and reviewed this matter at length and discussed it in depth. The Bishop members of the Subcommittee voted unanimously to reaffirm, extend and formalize the decision to end CCHD funding of ACORN organizations because of serious concerns about financial accountability, organizational performance and political partisanship. While not all the specifics can be known, we simply had too many continuing questions and concerns about these serious matters to permit CCHD funding of ACORN groups.’

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**He continued, ‘Last June, CCHD cut off funding to all ACORN groups when we learned about a major case of embezzlement eight years ago which raised serious concerns about national ACORN's financial accountability, transparency, governance and organizational integrity … More recently, the Subcommittee also became concerned about widespread reports of ACORN involvement in alleged voter registration fraud and political partisanship. **

1 posted on 11/21/2008 8:22:46 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...
A person has to give the Bishops credit here!

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2 posted on 11/21/2008 8:24:34 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Good. Baby steps, but the Church is starting to come around on many things.


3 posted on 11/21/2008 8:27:29 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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**As a result of the cut-off earlier this year, no CCHD funds were involved in any of these activities. **

Good news for us!


4 posted on 11/21/2008 8:27:34 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I’m certain that the Rev Wright’s former church will pick up any slack in funding this decision may create for ACORN


5 posted on 11/21/2008 8:28:32 AM PST by The Brush
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To: frogjerk

Yes, I chuckle about the line “too many continuing questions and concerns”

Good grief it was all over the news during the election....I wish they could have made a stronger statement. Perhaps — ACORN, give the money back — it was a mistake. LOL!


6 posted on 11/21/2008 8:30:57 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Good. But more must be done. The Church should not have its goodwill abused.


7 posted on 11/21/2008 8:33:37 AM PST by Biggirl (Apple Macs, The Best!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Salvation
I find it humorous that a so called religious leader would engage in such dishonest butt covering. As if ACORN was ever anything other than a group of Marxist agitators.

I attended Catholic schools from grade school through college. The Catholic church is loaded with socialists. The BVM nuns in particular are as Marxist as you will find. I live in one of the most Catholic cities in America, and it is loaded with socialist Catholics.

8 posted on 11/21/2008 8:36:11 AM PST by shempy
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To: Salvation

Does the Catholic church have that much money that it can afford to give money to activist organizations that it knows nothing about?


9 posted on 11/21/2008 8:36:43 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver
The CHD, which gave the money to ACORN in the past, is funded by donations raised in a yearly drive for CHD.

This year, the Sunday on which money for CHD is donated is this coming Sunday.

The only money the Church really has is the weekly donations it receives from its parishioners.

There are usually two collections each Sunday. The first is for the support of the parish the parishioners attend and the second is for larger-scale projects like seminaries, the overseas missions, Catholic schools, etc.

One of the second collections each year in the US is for CHD.

Another one of the second collections is for the Vatican - known as Peter's Pence.

There is no set minimum or maximum for any collection.

So out of 120 collections each year (52 Sundays, * holy days of obligation), the contents of one collection go to CHD (in the US only) and the contents of another go to the Vatican.

10 posted on 11/21/2008 8:46:57 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Interesting! Thanks for the explanation.


11 posted on 11/21/2008 8:49:27 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

Yes.It is a huge supporter of social justice efforts. I think they should be commended for this and should stick to financing its own Catholic Charities. CC is unbelievably effective addressing the needs of soceity/individuals who need assistance.


12 posted on 11/21/2008 8:51:45 AM PST by awin
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To: wideawake
There are usually two collections each Sunday.

I have never been to a Catholic Church that has two collections every Sunday. Second collections are only a few times a year for specific purposes usually dictated by the Bishops or Rome. Sometimes there is a second collection for a specific parish purpose but this is not regular or usual.

13 posted on 11/21/2008 8:53:06 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: caver
Interesting! Thanks for the explanation.

You're welcome.

To give you an idea of the scope of funds we are discussing, the Vatican's operating expenses in 2006 were $260 million versus income of approximately $245 million, so the Vatican was operating about $15 million in the red.

That's $260 million divided among: 400,000 local congregations; 125,000 schools; 75,000 clinics; 1,000 colleges; 14,000 old age homes; 8,500 orphanages and foster facilities; 6,000 hospitals; 1.2 million clergy and nuns; 150,000 seminarians and postulants; 1 billion parishioners.

Many of these institutions are supported at a diocesan level as well - but many are not.

Compare this to the Church of England which had an operating budget in 2006 of approximately $55 million for 40 million parishioners.

On a percentage basis, the C of E has 520% of the liquid cash per believer that the Catholic Church does.

14 posted on 11/21/2008 9:02:58 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Salvation

Well, it’s a start, although the partisanship was obvious from the start, and they don’t seem to mention the most important reason for cutting off these funds—that the money was used to promote the Culture of Death on every front.

Actually, you can argue that the embezzlement of funds was a Good Thing, because better to steal the money than use it for it’s dedicated purpose: educating kids to be good little Communists and gay/abortion supporters. Or encouraging poor people to get sub-prime loans they can’t afford, thus helping to impoverish them further while bringing down the financial system and throwing people out of work.

I’ll take embezzlement over those results any day of the week.


15 posted on 11/21/2008 9:03:59 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Prokopton

In every parish I’ve attended in the four dioceses I’ve lived in, two collections were taken every Sunday. The first for the parish, the second for some other charitable purpose. About 8 Sundays a year we have a special visitor raising funds for a specific mission project, not to mention the collections for our vicariate schools, our diocesan seminary each quarter, etc.


16 posted on 11/21/2008 9:06:33 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: caver
Does the Catholic church have that much money that it can afford to give money to activist organizations that it knows nothing about?

Plausible deniability.

17 posted on 11/21/2008 9:07:15 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama: Satan's Counterfeit Christ)
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To: Prokopton

This is true. We will see second collections from time to time, but not every Sunday. My parish will also have a second collection every 2 or 3 months for debt reduction, but other parishes may differ.


18 posted on 11/21/2008 9:13:03 AM PST by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: Cicero

Catholic Campaign for Human Development Has Given ACORN $7 Million
by Phyllis Schlafly (more by this author)
Posted 11/11/2008 ET
Updated 11/20/2008 ET

Do you wonder why 2008 election data shows that the majority of Catholics voted for Barack Obama even though his record as Illinois state senator proves him the most pro-abortion candidate who ever ran for president?

Perhaps one answer is that on the Sunday before Thanksgiving, millions of Catholics will again be putting in their church’s collection plate their annual donation to what the pre-printed envelope calls “Campaign for Human Development: The Catholic Church working to end poverty and injustice in America; We’ll turn your dollars into hope for the poor of our nation.”

The generous Catholics who respond to that well-phrased appeal probably think they are making a Good Samaritan gift to provide necessaries to the down-and-out. Most would probably be shocked to learn that the money donated to the Campaign for Human Development (CHD) does not go for charity but for radical Obama-style community organizing.

Over the last 10 years, CHD has given $7.3 million of Catholic-donated dollars to the Saul Alinsky-style group called ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). When in 1998 some Catholics complained that CHD grants were not used for Catholic charity but were actually funding groups opposed to church teachings, CHD changed its name to Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD).

The name change did not redirect the flow of money. In 2007 alone, CCHD increased its support of ACORN, giving it 37 grants totaling $1,037,000.

During 2007 and 2008, ACORN and its affiliated organizations were aggressively registering what it claimed were 1.3 million poor people. ACORN focused on new registrations in the key toss-up states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida.

You can listen on YouTube to clips from ACORN’s national convention and decide for yourself how partisan it is.

CCHD knew how ACORN spent its money. CCHD’s executive director, Ralph McCloud, admitted to Catholic News Service that “some of the funds that the Catholic Campaign contributed to ACORN in the past undoubtedly were used for voter registration drives.”

Even though the pro-Obama political activity of ACORN had been widely reported, and employees of ACORN and affiliated organizations like Project Vote have been either indicted or convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in 14 states, in June 2008 CCHD approved grants of $1.13 million to 40 local ACORN affiliates for the cycle beginning July 1, 2008. Those grants were ratified by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops at its June 2008 meeting.

The CCHD-ACORN relationship suddenly became too embarrassing to ignore, and CCHD announced it was suspending (not canceling) the 2008 grants. But the reason given for suspension was not ACORN’s partisan political activity or registration frauds, it was because Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke, had embezzled nearly $1 million from the organization and its affiliates back in 1999 and 2000.

CCHD also announced that it has formed a task force to ensure that church funds are spent according to the guidelines of the Bishops Conference’s poverty-fighting program. Presumably, the previous millions of dollars given to ACORN were within the conference’s guidelines.

Barack Obama knows the political value of ACORN. He gave $800,000 in campaign cash disguised as payments for “advance work” to an Alinsky front group called Citizen Services Inc.

Obama admits he got his start as a community organizer in Chicago, saying it was “the best education I ever had, better than anything I got at Harvard Law School.” He tries to downplay his connection with ACORN, claiming he worked for churches, but he was trained by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation and then spent years in the 1980s teaching the Alinsky method to others through several Alinsky offshoots such as Project Vote and Developing Communities Project in Chicago.

Saul Alinsky’s son Lee David Alinsky felt compelled to remedy Obama’s failure to give proper credit. In a letter to the Boston Globe in August after Obama’s open-stadium rally in Denver, the younger Alinsky wrote: “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

Saul Alinsky explained his community organizing tactics in his book “Rules for Radicals.” His game plan was to divide the community into the Haves and the Have Nots, make the Have Nots believe they are unjustly treated by the Haves, build resentment against the American social and economic system, use church congregations to mobilize street agitators, and lobby government for higher taxes and big-spending welfare programs in order to confiscate the wealth and power of the Haves and turn it over to the Have Nots.

Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer, “the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom.”

Another Alinsky quote seems remarkably prophetic: “Ego must be so all-pervading that the personality of the organizer is contagious, that it converts the people from despair to defiance, creating a mass ego.”


19 posted on 11/21/2008 9:16:42 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: wideawake; Dqban22

Post number 19 from Dqban22 is very informative. I had no idea.


20 posted on 11/21/2008 9:20:35 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver
Post number 19 from Dqban22 is very informative. I had no idea.

A lot of her information is accurate - historically.

There is a 25 year old movement among Catholics to defund the CHD. Some dioceses do not donate to the CHD and many individual Catholics (including this one) hand in an envelope with a note, declining participation, instead of a check. I simply add the amount I would have donated to my Christmas donation for the parish.

Each year the CHD receives less and less money - I believe the USCCB may finally be getting the message.

21 posted on 11/21/2008 9:37:34 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
Each year the CHD receives less and less money - I believe the USCCB may finally be getting the message.

Not to mention that the bishops themselves are slowly but surely in the middle of cycling out the Bernardin devotees and the JPII generation is taking their place. That Rigali and Burke have the ear of the pope doesn't hurt.

Personally, any cash for things like CCHD from me gets dropped in the St. Vincent de Paul box. At this time, SVDP is paying a lot of bills for widows who were left with nothing after their pension-earning husbands died. It's another option for putting donations to good use.

22 posted on 11/21/2008 10:04:24 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: Salvation

Excellent! They realized that they had dropped the ball on the stewardship over the money WE have sent them, in the form of dues paid by Dioceses. I’m glad they’ve made this move. There are myriad organizations that are doing the work the Bishops like seeing done, and that DON’T involve the partisanship rampant in ACORN. It’s good that they may now be given the support they deserve.


23 posted on 11/21/2008 10:06:58 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Salvation
While the reasoning is fine as far as it goes, it doesn't go far enough. There are dozens of reasons why a catholic shouldn't subsidize the leftist agenda, yet he focuses on embezzlement.

The Catholic bishops have read WAY too much into Rerum Novarum and Centesimus Annus with regard to the responsibilities of the various levels of government to right all social ills. Some of them seemed fine with hanging out with the Dems for just this reason, as long as there was an understanding about the differences over abortion, stem cells, etc.

Now, however, things are beginning to change. The massive scent of hypocrisy over pro-abortion "Catholic" politicians being allowed to receive Communion was the first crack in the wall. The next will be when Obama and Co. pay back the Catholic bishops for their cooperation on poverty and "seamless garment"-type issues by squeezing them into a corner under FOCA until they can revoke their tax exemptions. THAT will sever the alliance of convenience! When the bishops see how they've been played for suckers all these years, and how easily they will be turned on by rabidly evil socialist Democrats, things will probably change quickly. Too bad it takes a tax exemption revocation to remove the scales from their eyes, but...hey, whatever works! It will probably result in some real introspection eventually, and they will see how they've mangled Leo XIII's vision about poverty and social responsibility all along.

For what it's worth, this whole business of government social engineering vs. the responsibility of the individual Christian will be the topic of my Catholic internet radio show (Take Away the Stone) to air at cyberstationusa.com on November 30.

24 posted on 11/21/2008 10:09:27 AM PST by magisterium
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To: Prokopton; wideawake
I have never been to a Catholic Church that has two collections every Sunday.

Neither have I, and I've lived in five different states. Second collections are taken up, at most, once a month, again, as you said, unless the Parish is raising funds for the Parish School, CCD program, Youth Ministry,etc. and that's only once or twice a year.

25 posted on 11/21/2008 10:10:47 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I've lived in IL, NY and NJ - in the dioceses of Brooklyn, New York, Chicago and Trenton.

I've never attended a parish that had only one collection.

26 posted on 11/21/2008 10:13:57 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Dqban22

My b-i-l, a priest, worked, as a Seminarian, in ‘community organizing’ in the MS Delta, 40 years ago. He recognized the Saul Alinsky stamp on Obama from the beginning, because he and his co-workers received that kind of training when they were doing their work. It wasn’t under the auspices of the Catholic Church, but the Church did help in the poverty stricken areas of the Delta, as it should have, so some of their folks were trained along with others.


27 posted on 11/21/2008 10:15:05 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Desdemona
Not to mention that the bishops themselves are slowly but surely in the middle of cycling out the Bernardin devotees and the JPII generation is taking their place. That Rigali and Burke have the ear of the pope doesn't hurt.

Yeah, the old Bernadin types are being replaced, as they retire, with more faithful, orthodox Bishops. Praise Jesus!

28 posted on 11/21/2008 10:16:48 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: caver

I hate to give them a pass, but my guess is that they had some good intentions and were simply duped, willingly or otherwise.

I thought the Church was very strong for pro-life and clear in how we may cast our ballots in this election; it doesn’t make a lot of sense to so strongly position one’s self against the Democrats when YOU are paying for someone to do they’re dirty work.


29 posted on 11/21/2008 10:18:06 AM PST by incredulous joe (We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: wideawake
I've never attended a parish that had only one collection.

My current parish does, but only because the church is HUGE and it's a full city block to walk down the aisle. There are, however, two envelopes for every week - and not a one says "organ tuning fund".

30 posted on 11/21/2008 10:33:08 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: incredulous joe

Yea, I have tried to make sense out of intellingent people voting for things that they are opposed to. Most of tehm that I talk to are just ignorant of the issues. Just like those Obama voters that had no idea of who/what/how politics works.


31 posted on 11/21/2008 10:41:15 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Salvation

My heartburn is why CCHD contributed anything to those bolshie ACORN groups in the first place. “Social Justice” (e.g. marxist) CINOs? My money goes to my parish, the FSSP, and occasionally EWTN. I don’t trust anybody else. I learned my lesson with the former ECUSA when I found out where my contributions/donations were going. Local parish and authentic Catholic organizations only for me. I don’t even trust the Bishop’s Lenten Appeal anymore.


32 posted on 11/21/2008 10:53:44 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (RINO = Big government, blue blood, country club Vichy Republicans)
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To: magisterium; Dqban22

The problem is not the righting of social ills, which has always been a responsibility of Catholics. For instance, anyone who has read any medieval literature or studied morality plays will realize that, although the king theoretically stands in loco Dei, in practice almost all of these works are concerned about dealing with wicked kings and improving society.

The problem, rather, is to naively accept the Marxist or Alinskiite explanation of how to repair social ills. The solution, as Communist regimes demonstrated EVERY TIME throughout the 20th century, is not revolution of the proletariat. The solution is to work for justice within the prevailing system, in all but the most egregious cases. No, you couldn’t expect to improve Hitler or Stalin, but you could expect to improve things under Bush, to take an instance.

A lot of this problem results from the professional bureaucrats who wormed their way into the Church in the 60s and still continue to advise the bishops and implement their directions as they see fit. The solution is to clean out the bureaucracy and get people working there who are genuinely concerned about helping people rather than radicalizing them or teaching them heretical beliefs.

I think maybe the bishops are STARTING to wake up, but still don’t want to admit what the problem is. So they emphasize embezzlement, when the real problem is the displacement of Catholic principles by Marxist principles.


33 posted on 11/21/2008 1:09:53 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Salvation

Good to hear. It’s long past time for our bishops to put themselves on war footing and stop funding our enemies. Because that’s what we’re going to be facing—a war on the Church.


34 posted on 11/21/2008 1:19:42 PM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Salvation

If the CHD was that irresponsible in giving to ACORN, one must then wonder what other “charities” they give to that may be as bad or maybe even worse. I have no idea, but it does raise the question. Can ACORN be the only bad nut in the mix?


35 posted on 11/21/2008 2:50:42 PM PST by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: Salvation

So....this includes all dioceses?


36 posted on 11/21/2008 2:58:30 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Salvation

“‘Last June, CCHD cut off funding to all ACORN groups when we learned about a major case of embezzlement ..”

That’s good to read. It seem the bishops were duped, sadly.


37 posted on 11/21/2008 4:47:10 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Salvation
World Over, is about CCHD and Acorn this week.

Raymond said that there is a grassroots level campaign that are putting acorns in their envelopes this Sunday.

38 posted on 11/21/2008 5:32:40 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: SuziQ

That is scary!


39 posted on 11/21/2008 7:01:06 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: incredulous joe

Another thread suggested we give to the poor through the Salvation Army this year.

I know our parish will be feeding and delivering meals to over 1100 people this year. I’ll give to them.


40 posted on 11/21/2008 7:02:24 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mware

**putting acorns in their envelopes this Sunday**

LOL!


41 posted on 11/21/2008 7:03:48 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

The Bishops still have other nuts to crack......

from another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1287956/posts


42 posted on 11/21/2008 7:05:07 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wideawake
Raymond Arroyo mentioned on World Over tonight that two diocese are not going to have the second collection for the CHD because of the scandal regarding ACORN.
43 posted on 11/21/2008 7:09:09 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Dqban22

any chance you were a guest on EWTN tonight??


44 posted on 11/21/2008 7:11:37 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Salvation
Salvation Army is always good.

If you are giving at a Catholic Parish I suspect that the Diocese will get it's cut of that money.

While you may be vigilant of what goes on in your own parish, you probably have no control of what happens to the money that is sent to the Bishop.

It occurs to me ~ and I think this is actually done in our parish ~ but possibly you could develop “earmarks” for dedicating money to certain projects. I know some folks in our parish write were they want money spent?

I guess that kind of takes all the spirit out of giving. I'm not sure that it is followed through on either. But what is to be done if you can't trust how your money is being used, be that in your church, diocese or Federal government??

45 posted on 11/22/2008 11:55:13 AM PST by incredulous joe (We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.)
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To: mware

Although some bishops, as Most Rev Robert Hermann, defended publicly and forcefully the lives of the unborn children, it was shameful that many bishops kept silent or gave a lip service to the pro-life cause while others even voted for Obama; so, it is not a surprise that more than 50% of Catholics voted for Obama, the most pro-abortion and pro-infanticide politician ever, now president of our debased country.

Interview with Bishop Hermann on the Courage to Die for Life
11/22/2008

St. Louis Review

“Every Bishop should be willing to give up his life, if it meant putting an end to abortion. And if we’re willing to do that, then we should be totally fearless of promoting this cause”

ST. LOUIS, Missouri (St. Louis Review) - The Most Rev. Bishop Robert J. Hermann is one of many courageous bishops who have faithfully spoken out on the primacy of the teaching of the Catholic Church concerning the dignity of every life, at every age and stage, from conception to natural death as the foundational issue of all other social issues and moral concerns; the right through which all other rights proceed.

He is the administrator of the Archdiocese of St. Louis. The following interview by St. Louis Review staff writer Jennifer Brinker was published in the St. Louis Review, the diocesan newspaper. Catholic Online presents this article in our continuing effort to support our Bishops and encourage the faithful to tirelessly defend life in the face of every obstacle:
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Last week, at the annual fall assembly of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, archdiocesan administrator Bishop Robert J. Hermann stated that for any bishop, it would be a “privilege to die tomorrow to bring about an end to abortion.” His comments were picked up by media outlets across the country and have been touted in the blogosphere as a courageous statement in the defense of unborn human life.

St. Louis Review staff writer Jennifer Brinker recently met with Bishop Hermann for an interview, in which he reflected on his statement and also answered several other questions relating to the issue of abortion, the bishops’ meeting and the recent presidential election.

Q: Let’s delve right into the issue at hand. At the recent bishops’ meeting in Baltimore, you said this:

“We have lost 50 times as many children in the last 35 years as we have lost soldiers in all the wars since the Revolution. I think any bishop here would consider it a privilege to die tomorrow to bring about an end to abortion. If we are willing to die tomorrow, then we should be willing to, until the end of our lives, to take all kinds of criticism for opposing this horrible infanticide.”

Q: Could you explain a little bit more about the point you were trying to get across?

A: I think that the way abortion has been presented over the past 35 years so often is that this is something that’s horrible, and we need to stop it. But it seems to me that people do not realize that it is 50 million children that we have killed. We have campaigned to save the baby whales, and yet we vote in pro-abortion politicians - which doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I feel we need to be in an awareness-raising campaign to open our eyes to really see the destruction that we’ve brought about. There should be 50 more million Americans in our midst, and anyone under 35 can look around and say, ‘Where are they?’ And, ‘I’m very lucky to be alive.’ We are grateful for all the soldiers who have died to defend our freedom. But at the same time, we aren’t making similar efforts to protect the unborn. And so that’s my concern - to raise the consciousness of all people to the atrocities that we’re committing.

Q: What was the reaction of your fellow bishops after you said this?

A: The reaction was one or two bishops started clapping, but then we moved on immediately (to other business). I received numerous comments from other bishops, thanking me for making this courageous statement. I said any bishop there could have and probably would have made the same statement. After I had finished, Bishop (Robert) Finn and Archbishop (Joseph) Naumann and Bishop (Michael) Sheridan commented. Archbishop (Charles) Chaput sought me out and commented. So numerous bishops had come up to me and thanked me for the comment. I said we’re only doing what we’re supposed to be doing, that’s all.

Q: What was the thought process going through your mind in which you said, ‘Yes, I would do this. I would lay my life on the line.’

A: Very simply: If American youth are willing to go to war and lay their life down to defend our freedoms, then every bishop should be willing to give up his life, if it meant putting an end to abortion. And if we’re willing to do that, then we should be totally fearless of promoting this cause without being concerned about political correctness, without trying to build coalitions with pro-choice people.

Q: Can you tell me about some of the personal criticisms that you might have recently encountered in your role as bishop and your willingness to speak out for a culture of life?

A: First of all, perhaps 95 percent of the responses I have gotten have been very positive, very complimentary and very supportive.The few negative responses I have gotten have not bothered me one bit, because I see that we’re products of a secular society. And what I see very clearly is that the underpinning premise of our society - but unspoken - is that God does not exist. And our culture flows from that thinking.

But we on the other hand, we say, ‘Yes God exists, and I believe in God,’ but often we act as if he did not exist. We are acting the way we have been conditioned. I cannot tell you the number of people who have e-mailed me or told me in person, ‘This is the first time in my life that I voted contrary to strong feelings.’ And there are others asking me how they need to deal with their past voting habits.

I have great empathy and great compassion for people who are influenced by society and are taken in by the big lie that God does not exist. My job is to raise their awareness to, yes He does (exist), and it does make a difference what you believe. It makes a big difference in what you do.

In addition to this premise that God does not exist, we also have to be aware that our warfare is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and the powers and the spirits of this world of darkness, as Paul tells us in Ephesians.

Therefore, behind Planned Parenthood, behind the abortion issue, is the evil one. I often see human beings caught up in this as victims of the evil one who need my prayers and who need my compassion and who need my love. We don’t only want to save our children from destruction; we also want to save our adult brothers and sisters from eternal destruction.

Q: Why was it important for the bishops to craft a statement directed toward the administration of President-elect Barack Obama? It heavily addressed perhaps the most pressing issue that currently faces the pro-life movement right now: the Freedom of Choice Act.

A: What makes this so dangerous is that candidate Obama said that one of the first things he would do would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act when he becomes president. And that really frightens us, because it would be undermining all the efforts for the past 35 years of trying to limit the destructive effects of abortion. The other concern that we have in the next four years is that he may very well have the opportunity to place two more people on the Supreme Court, which could secure the Roe vs. Wade case for many, many years.

Q: During his campaign in Pennsylvania, President-elect Barack Obama said he has taught his daughters with proper morals, on the other hand, “if they make a mistake, I won’t want them punished with a baby.” What do you think about that statement?

A: I am very horrified that he would make such a statement, which in effect is saying that he would be willing to see his grandchild killed for the convenience of his daughter.When he promotes abortion, he is, whether he knows it or not, targeting blacks, because they have been targeted by Planned Parenthood with abortion information and facilities in their neighborhoods. So he and Planned Parenthood together are helping to reduce the African- American population in this country.

Q: I think there are many people, some Catholics included, who still don’t understand why Catholic bishops and priests place such importance on abortion over other issues, such as the economy, immigration and the war in Iraq. Could you explain why Church leadership takes this stance that some have called “single-minded?”

A: Pope John Paul has made it very clear that while some people say that the economy, or the war in Iraq or immigration should be of prime consideration. But he said those rights mean nothing if the fundamental right to life is not guaranteed. Before these other rights mean anything, we have to guarantee the fundamental right to life. When someone is denied life, then all the other rights don’t mean anything. That’s the reason the Church places such a high priority on that.

For an individual to have a proportionate reason to vote for a candidate who supports abortion would be very hard to come by. The only way I could see that happening is if we had one candidate who supports abortion and another one who may mandate abortion ... as they do in China.

Q: We have noticed in the weeks leading up to the election a surge in the number of priests, particularly our young priests, who have spoken out for a culture of life. Is there anything that you would like to say about the courage these men have shown?

A: I am very edified by the growing number of priests, and in a very special way young clergy, who had the courage to speak out from the pulpit so incisively and effectively against the evils of abortion. I think more and more priests are beginning to realize the seriousness of this cause and also see that taking a strong stance receives such tremendous support from our Catholics.

I encourage all priests to continue to pray about the issue, to study the teachings of Pope John Paul II, and Cardinal (Joseph) Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) on this issue, and then address it with love and patience and courage. We do not condemn proponents of abortion; we condemn their beliefs and their practices. We pray for them, and we want their salvation as we desire our own. When we preach pro-life from the pulpit, we’re doing everyone in the congregation a great favor by presenting the truth of our faith in a very clear, concise and effective manner. The truth shall set you free.

Q: Is there anything that you could offer to our Catholic readers, which would give them hope for the future? What can they do to get involved in better promoting a culture of life, especially during these next four years?

A: I would encourage them to study the Church’s documents - perhaps to start with Pope John Paul’s, “The Gospel of Life,” (”Evangelium Vitae”) and then to follow that up with encyclical, “Humanae Vitae,” (”Of Human Life”) so they can clearly understand the nature of man and woman and the sacredness of God’s calling for man and woman.
The more they study that and begin to live those teachings, the more they’re going to come into freedom to promote the Gospel of Life, first of all, by the witness of their very lives. And secondly, they will be courageous in sharing their witness to others.

See the St. Louis Review Online here:
http://www.stlouisreview.com


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