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To: kabar

“Over 400,000 children are born to illegal aliens every year. These children are entitled to full US citizenship and the benefits and responsibilities that entails. They are not naturalized but native born.”

You continue to make the argument that a US Citizen (anchor babies) and a Natural Born Citizen are equal as it relates to the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. I do not. I see a clear differentiation. On that we will have to simply disagree.

That said; please explain to me if your argument is true, why is it that BHO continues to obfuscate, and hide his actual Certificate of Birth, issues by the State of Hawaii? If you are correct, this would all go away, if he was actually born in Hawaii.


89 posted on 11/28/2008 11:31:01 AM PST by Deepest End
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To: Deepest End
You continue to make the argument that a US Citizen (anchor babies) and a Natural Born Citizen are equal as it relates to the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. I do not. I see a clear differentiation. On that we will have to simply disagree.

That's correct. We will agree to disagree. I see no difference between a native born Amcit and a natural born one. There is certainly no distinction the way they are treated under the current laws of the land.

That said; please explain to me if your argument is true, why is it that BHO continues to obfuscate, and hide his actual Certificate of Birth, issues by the State of Hawaii? If you are correct, this would all go away, if he was actually born in Hawaii.

As I have indicated on this thread, that is indeed the mystery and the cause of all this speculation and legal actions. He could make it all go away in a NY minute by producing his COLB.

120 posted on 11/28/2008 2:35:01 PM PST by kabar
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To: Deepest End
"That said; please explain to me if your argument is true, why is it that BHO continues to obfuscate, and hide his actual Certificate of Birth, issues by the State of Hawaii? If you are correct, this would all go away, if he was actually born in Hawaii."

The recent issues concerning Obama's citizenship are certainly promising but let's not forget one of the issues from Berg's case:

If, in fact, Defendant Obama was born in Kenya, under the laws of the United States, in effect at the time of his birth, if a child was born abroad, and one parent was a U.S.citizen (which here, of course, would be Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham), Obama’s mother would have had to have lived ten (10) years in the U.S., five (5) of which were after she reached the age of fourteen (14).

At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18), and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship.

The laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth did not recognize U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child.

Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a “natural born” citizen. Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec.182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944).

Obama could only have become a U.S. citizen if naturalized, and a naturalized citizen is not qualified and/or eligible to run for the office of President of the United States. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section I.

Furthermore, if Obama was born in Kenya, his birth father Barack Obama, Sr. was a citizen of Kenya; therefore, Obama would necessarily have become a citizen of Kenya. Furthermore, if Obama had been born in Kenya, his birth father Barack Obama,Sr. was a citizen of Kenya; therefore, Obama would have automatically become a citizen of Kenya.

142 posted on 11/29/2008 11:24:37 AM PST by Fithal the Wise
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