Posted on 11/30/2008 1:20:28 PM PST by freedumb2003
The obligatory anti-Catholic hate speech by self-righteous fundamentalist evangelical Freepers shall commence in 5... 4... 3...
...whoops, they’ve already arrived.
They are known as the Obamolics. Nice bunch, huh?
You're basically judgmental and pretending to be God.It may be you that might be lost by making such statements
Anyone who could vote for a pro-abortion candidate without the slightest tinge of guilt about the issue has a seared conscience, plain and simple. They should examine their lives to see if they truly know the Lord.
I agree with you on this and so would a Catholic who follows what the Church teaches.
Anyone who picks and chooses what to believe and what not to believe regarding church teachings risks losing salvation .
Hey, you don’t have to be Catholic to agree with that!! On that great “gettin’ up morn’ “ we will find ourselves accountable for every word, thought and deed. Guaranteed.
Catholics are infested with the same cross section of elites, academics, blue-collar, free thinkers, etc., as the rest of society. We have our fair share who go to Mass on Sunday and live the rest of the week as if they don't know Christ. In this case, it was really economic fear and the thing that even the hierarchy doesn't get is that it was the policies of democratic administrations and congresses that got us into the mess.
“In order for a sin to be a sin, one has to know that one is doing wrong.”
Is THAT what Catholics teach??? It’s sure NOT what most Christians believe.
FTR: I don’t think Catholics believe it either. A sin is a SIN whether you are cognizant of it or not!!
Lending institutions, being pressured to give toxic, subprime loans to credit unworthy borrowers is a factor in the creating the financial mess in which we find ourselves. The greedy loan institutions were able to get away with this because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac took them off the hook, so all could enrich themselves. Demand for housing went up, as did the cost of housing as demand outstripped supply with this new initiative in play. Mr. & Mrs. Jones on Main Street were caught up in this false economy and paid $379,000 for a home now worth $229,000. That money is lost.
The Democrats gained politically by the economic woes that they created with their stealth implementation of socialism. The Democrats sabotaged our economy and now will take it over because the Republicans get the blame. Clueless Catholic voters did their share to help vote in the culture of death.
Not if they intend to continue doing the same sin. That's called being unrepentant, and no empty or halfhearted words will erase it!!
BTW it's the same throughout all Christianity.
“Unfortunately, the majority of Catholics voted for Obama.”
These Catholics didn’t realize that the initials of the Messiah are JC, not BHO.
Hey, you’re preaching to the choir - literally. Catholics, in many ways, are no different than the rest of society. Ignorance abounds, and will continue to until the flock themselves decide to be informed.
You must not know many Catholics. Most of them are, in fact, basically good people. They have not had the fullness of their faith taught to them in the last 20 years and many of them have a very superficial understanding of Catholicism. In this day and age, it is the responsibility of every Catholic to educate himself in the deep resources of our glorious Catholic faith.
I am a traditional, practicing Catholic. I voted pro-life, and I know I am a child of God and that my life belongs to Him.
There— now you know one.
No one is lost until the final moment of God’s perfect judgment.
I would also like to point out that the Pharisees thought they knew who was lost and who was saved. I think you know what Jesus thought of them.
I invite you to learn more about the Roman Catholic Church. Tim Staples has written some wonderful books about his journey toward the knowledge that the Catholic Church has the true fullness of faith. Before you pass judgment on a whole group of people, I think you owe it to them to do some research on them. Try reading Tim Staples or Patrick Madrid: Protestants who were willing to examine Catholic beliefs with objectivity.
Yes, the majority of Catholics voted for Obama, but not actively practicing Catholics. Catholics who work at their faith did not vote for Obama.
In addition, the majority of single women, Hispanics, Asians, union members, and young people voted for Obama. I believe the majority of farmers voted for him too.
This election, most people voted along their special interest groups and sold out the greater good, the unborn, and the war on terror.
Yes, that’s what Catholics teach and that’s what common sense teaches. If the reason one didn’t know something was wrong was one’s own culpable refusal to learn right from wrong, then one has sinned by refusing to learn right from wrong. But if one has been misled by those one trusted to know right from wrong, then the sin rests with those who misled and lied or deprived people of knowledge they needed to make informed choices.
In the case of abortion, no one can be entirely exonerated because everyone knows that abortion is controversial and even the most doltish of Catholics knows that the Church says it’s wrong. But, and here’s where you have to put your thinking cap on: the act we are talking about here is “voting for Obama.” During this election campaign, Catholic authority figures (wrongly, evilly, sinfully) told Catholics that one could rightly vote for Obama as long as one was voting for him in spite of his wrong position on abortion.
Now, that claim is false but it was being made by people who claimed to be knowledgeable. This clouded the “knowledge aspect” of the issue as far as mortal sin is concerned.
If a Catholic voter knew darn well that his bishop or at least some bishops had clearly stated that one may not vote for Obama under any circumstances without committing mortal sin, then if that voter went ahead and did it, he’d be in deep doodoo. But none of the bishops, not even Chaput, ever said it that plainly. There was always some degree of putting two and two together required to reach the conclusion, based on what the bishops did say, that voting for Obama was absolutely wrong.
And how many “Catholic” voters even heard what Chaput said, much less paid attention and understood it? Some of them weren’t paying attention because they didn’t want to and the sin may lie in their laziness and inattentiveness. Others were paying attention but were hearing rival claims being made.
Now, here’s my original point: no one can, in advance, broadcast, scattershot, say exactly what went into the mindset of each Catholic who voted for Obama. The pastor rightly refused to say that anyone who voted for Obama sinned. He appealed to his parishioners to examine themselves, be honest with themselves and if they knowingly did what they knew to be wrong, to confess it.
And this is not just a Catholic principle. It’s the basis for our distinction in law between accidental manslaughter, negligent manslaughter, premeditated murder and so forth. It’s just plain common sense.
And it’s also EXACTLY what Scripture says: no man knows another man’s heart, only God knows. So not only do Catholics teach exactly what I wrote but so do the Protestants I grew up among. You cannot know exactly what is in another man’s heart and you must leave leeway in assessing another man’s sin.
But you can be exact and certain of your own sins.
So stop it already with the flailing away at Catholics for having a false theology about sin.
I think it’s evil that Obama was elected. However I place most of the blame on leaders (journalists, public intellectuals, bishops, and others) who withheld the information from people that they needed to have in order to make an informed choice.
Look, Obama was elected largely through ignorance, ignorance greater perhaps than in any previous election. This is evil. And some of the blame rests with a populace that prefers to be stupid and uninformed. Many Catholic voters for Obama sinned by being lazy and uneager to inform themselves. Whether that is a mortal sin or a venial sin, depends on each case. But deliberately withholding information, spinning the news, lying and deceiving the populace, creating an increasingly deceivable and manipulable populace in the first place—that’s where the true Evil lies.
The pastor of this parish was simply trying to get his parishioners’ attention, to point out that they might have sinnned mortally. He could not tell them across the board that they did sin mortally and he was careful not to do that. But it is being reported that he told them all they had sinned.
Then they are not Catholic. They may have themselves, their family, their neighbors and even their pastor convinced they are Catholic, but they are outside the community of Catholics. Catholicism is belief based association; those that accept and believe are indeed Catholics, those that dissent (protest) are not Catholics (protestants). At some point the will have to stand before the Lord and make a full accounting of their lives and decisions. That accounting will be a complete, naked accounting without any ability to bluff, trick, or BS their way around the issues.
The Old Testament defined sin in that manner, but Jesus redefined sin. In particular He teaches that sins come from the heart (Matthew 15:19-20) which is why we were given free will. He condemns as sinful many acts which were judged honest and righteous by the priests, prophets, and teachers of the Old Testament Law. He then denounces in a special manner hypocrisy and scandal, infidelity and the sin against the Holy Ghost which require a conscious rejection of good.
Ignorance is not a ubiquitous absolution because we have a responsibility to know the difference between good and evil.
“So stop it already with the flailing away at Catholics for having a false theology about sin.”
I was doing no such thing; I was was defending Catholics and “flailing” at your false theology!!
Very well said,Dear Friend.
Thank You!
From GK Chesterton...
"The difficulty of explaining "why I am a Catholic" is that there are ten thousand reasons all amounting to one reason: that Catholicism is true. I could fill all my space with separate sentences each beginning with the words, "It is the only thing that . . ." As, for instance, (1) It is the only thing that really prevents a sin from being a secret. (2) It is the only thing in which the superior cannot be superior; in the sense of supercilious. (3) It is the only thing that frees a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age. (4) It is the only thing that talks as if it were the truth; as if it were a real messenger refusing to tamper with a real message. (5) It is the only type of Christianity that really contains every type of man; even the respectable man. (6) It is the only large attempt to change the world from the inside; working through wills and not laws; and so on."
I know catholics who vote democrat every time. They do not have the brains to know they are supporting abortion. They totally separate their church stuff from the rest of their life. Voting democrat, as long as that party supports abortion on demand, is a mortal sin. The worst kind of crime, taking a helpless child’s life. How surprised these liberal catholics must be when they are denied entry to heaven. They have supported the murder of God’s precious innocent children. This sin is a black cloud that hangs over our nation. We deserve God’s harsh judgement for allowing this to happen.
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