Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case

THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^ | 12/3/08 | James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter

[Jim W N]

I'm not an Obamacrat, I have a copy of the Constitution in my hand, and I've only gotten this far on this thread, and so far, I've seen only Constitutional distinction regarding citizenship I've seen is 1) born in the U.S. or 2) naturalized in the U.S., with the caveat of being subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.

[jcsjcm]

He did travel to Indonesia, Pakistan, and somewhere else that fails me in 1981. The thought is that he traveled to Pakistan to renew his passport for travel and to use for admission to all of the prestigious schools that he attended. This allowed him to apply for foreign aid. Same as his father. Probably why he made it into Harvard since it wasn't due to grades or coming from a wealthy family.

I know no matter how I tried there would be no way I could get my kids into Harvard and I don't live that far away from it. Just would never happen in my life. So, what got him in?

I would love to see his records at all 3 schools that he attended. That would prove or disprove the citizenship issue as well.

[Tublecane]

“at one point in time, during my more productive years, foreign nationals becoming naturalized US citizens, were required to denounce their previous citizenship.”

That doesn’t apply to the case at hand. The issue concerns people with dual citizenship at birth. Under those circumstances, the U.S. government does not demand any denouncing.

[Citizen Blade]

We need the SC to clarify this issue once and for all.

I agree. But, if I was a betting man, I'd say that SCOTUS will not resolve this.

[Tublecane]

“One born on US soil is a US citizen.

One born on US soil of US citizen parents is a ‘natural born’ citizen.”

Where does it say that? Common sense tells me that if you are born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen.

[LucyT]

Thank you, MHGinTN. Ping to #393:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2142619/posts?page=393#393

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Adding links in case anyone missed them.

Profound comments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=86#86

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=100#100

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... and Barack Obama, Jr, was a British Citizen from his father at birth... it even says so on his website ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=285#285

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From Leo's letter to ABC issued today:

The main argument of my law suit alleges that since Obama was a British citizen - at birth - a fact he admits is true, then he cannot be a “natural born citizen”. The word “born” has meaning. It deals with the status of a presidential candidate “at birth”. Obama had dual nationality at birth. The status of the candidate at the time of the election is not as relevant to the provisions of the Constitution as is his status “at birth.” If one is not “born” a natural born citizen, he can never be a natural born citizen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=294#294

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Important comment, too long to repeat:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=294#294

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Important comment:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142619/posts?page=324#324

[Citizen Blade]

Even if this is so (and I am not conceding the point), applying for, receiving, and using an Indonesian psssport were actions taken by Obama himself.

Holding more than one passport is perfectly legal and does not threaten one's status as an American citizen. I hold three.

[pissant]

I think Keyes has the best case. Leo’s I have far less confidence in.

[IrishPennant]

Seems like a good place for a

PRETTY GIRL Break

[Tublecane]

“If my children cannont aspire to the presidency as their father can, then my children are second-class citizens.”

I reject the notion that denying children one little, tiny opportunity makes them second class citizens. Of course, any law that defines people different divides people into different classes, in a technical sense. For instance, marriage law makes married people a seperate class from single people. Children are a seperate class from adults.

It is so unlikely that any particular child will ever be elected president that restricting them from doing so almost certainly won’t make a difference in their lives.

[Jim W N]

I'm not an Obamacrat, I have a copy of the Constitution in my hand, and I've only gotten this far on this thread, and so far, I've seen only Constitutional distinction regarding citizenship I've seen is 1) born in the U.S. or 2) naturalized in the U.S., with the caveat of being subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.

[Jim W N]

I'm not an Obamacrat, I have a copy of the Constitution in my hand, and I've only gotten this far on this thread, and so far, I've seen only Constitutional distinction regarding citizenship I've seen is 1) born in the U.S. or 2) naturalized in the U.S., with the caveat of being subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.

[Jim W N]

This hospital verification thing seems more to the point than this seemingly invented distinction between “born in the U.S” and “natural-born citizen”.

[Las Vegas Dave]

My wife just walked into the room as I got to the photo, now she said she knows why I spend so much time on Freerepublic...

I had to do some ‘splainin!!!!!

[Jim W N]

I'm not an Obamacrat, I have a copy of the Constitution in my hand, and I've only gotten this far on this thread, and so far, I've seen only Constitutional distinction regarding citizenship I've seen is 1) born in the U.S. or 2) naturalized in the U.S., with the caveat of being subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

So far, I haven't seen a third category in COTUS or law distinguishing something called "natural born" citizen as opposed to simply born in the U.S.

[Waco]

If the supremes won’t uphold the const. then a lot of military guys will be sure to ask out of their oaths, why should they uphold any more than the supremes do.

[Salvation]

**DONOFRIO IS SAYING OBAMA CANNOT BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN,” BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN AT THE TIME OF OBAMA’S BIRTH.**

Finally we are getting down to brass tacks.

[Salvation]

God bless Justice Thomas!

[justiceseeker93]

Re #393, I beg to disagree with Mr. Donofrio when he states. that "Obama had dual nationality at birth."

Actually, he states that in arguendo as a best case scenario for Obama and a worst case scenario for his cause.

The fact is that none of us are sure, at this point in time, where Obama was born. If he were born in Hawaii, then it would be correct to say he had dual nationality at birth. However, if he were born in Kenya, he would have British nationality at birth but not American nationality at birth.

[MHGinTN]

Leo stated in the article, ‘For argument sake, I will assume Mister Obama was born in Hawai’i.’ If BArry Soetoro was actually born in Kenya, he would be ONLY a British subject at birth since his mother had not reached the magic five yeasr past fourteen.