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To: supercat
"If Obama knows himself to be ineligible, that would mean that he has sought an office he knew he could not attain legitimately."

Both Obama and his wife are highly educated people with law degrees and they have worked in high-powered law firms. Do you really believe that he is going to risk everything that he and Michelle have worked for, their futures, the futures of their two little girls, when a simple public health document would bring it all crashing down? Not to mention that the scandal would be the biggest thing in democrat history, instantly rendering things like Watergate unremarkable.

35 posted on 12/05/2008 11:27:47 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Yeah I do believe it. My belief is that they think they are so above us all that they can get away with it. I doubt they think ANY sacrifice is too great to achieve their goal


39 posted on 12/06/2008 3:25:39 AM PST by BruceysMom ("Where knowledge is folly...")
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
You wrote:"Both Obama and his wife are highly educated people with law degrees and they have worked in high-powered law firms. Do you really believe that he is going to risk everything that he and Michelle have worked for, their futures, the futures of their two little girls, when a simple public health document would bring it all crashing down? Not to mention that the scandal would be the biggest thing in democrat history, instantly rendering things like Watergate unremarkable."

Yes, I believe it. I do not think that Obama initially expected to win this time around. I think that he sought name recognition and figured to take it next time around. I also think that he has had people behind the scenes working out how to best get an amendment such that he could legally run. That being said, when things took a rather positive turn, then we began hearing rumors of riots and racism if he was not elected or could not hold office. If, and I stress "if", he is found ineligible, this is his fault and the fault of those who should have vetted him and the people who backed him will likely be a angry that they were duped and intentionally mislead. I'd also guess that they'll be angry with the democrats who should have vetted their candidate thoroughly.

It occurs to me that the Republicans have intentionally downplayed this until everything was in place and until there could be no doubt as to what was legal. There is no point stirring things up until you can be sure that you have the legal backing for your argument. Doing so only creates anger with Obama's supporters and lets your opponents know what you're doing. Let them believe that you are buying their argument, then lay it all out when the time is right. One decisive, absolutely inarguably legal move takes down their house of cards.

It is also critical for Obama's supporters to place the blame where it belongs--on Obama and the democrats who did not do their jobs properly. This thing is big enough to essentially take down the current leadership of the democrat party, something greatly to be desired.

46 posted on 12/06/2008 8:09:26 AM PST by Marty
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Do you really believe that he is going to risk everything that he and Michelle have worked for, their futures, the futures of their two little girls, when a simple public health document would bring it all crashing down?

Suppose that Barack Obama got through the primary before anyone found out he was ineligible. It's unclear anyone would have any legal basis for accessing his records prior to that. Do you think a government official who found out Barack Obama would want on his head the firestorm that would result from his disqualification? Or do you think he'd hope the issue could get resolved some other way?

In poker, it's perfectly rational to make a large bet with a bad hand if one doesn't expect to get called. Same here. That's why I've been arguing from the perspective not that Obama needs to be disqualified, but that he needs to release the records to clear things up. People who wouldn't be willing to have Obama disqualified even if he were ineligible might be willing to go on record as demanding that he produce records which they would expect he can produce.

57 posted on 12/06/2008 11:01:04 AM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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