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Rumsfeld nemesis Shinseki to be named VA secretary
AP ^ | 12-06-2008 | HOPE YEN

Posted on 12/06/2008 8:27:56 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama has chosen retired Gen. Eric K. Shinseki to be the next Veterans Affairs secretary, turning to a former Army chief of staff once vilified by the Bush administration for questioning its Iraq war strategy.

Obama will announce the selection of Shinseki, the first Army four-star general of Japanese-American ancestry, at a news conference Sunday in Chicago. He will be the first Asian-American to hold the post of Veterans Affairs secretary, adding to the growing diversity of Obama's Cabinet.

"I think that General Shinseki is exactly the right person who is going to be able to make sure that we honor our troops when they come home," Obama said in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" to be broadcast Sunday.

Shinseki's tenure as Army chief of staff from 1999 to 2003 was marked by constant tensions with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, which boiled over in 2003 when Shinseki testified to Congress that it might take several hundred thousand U.S. troops to control Iraq after the invasion.

Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, belittled the estimate as "wildly off the mark" and the army general was ousted within months. But Shinseki's words proved prophetic after President George W. Bush in early 2007 announced a "surge" of additional troops to Iraq after miscalculating the numbers needed to stem sectarian violence.

In Obama's eight Cabinet announcements so far, white men are the minority with two nominations — Timothy Geithner at Treasury and Robert Gates at Defense. Three are women — Janet Napolitano at Homeland Security, Susan Rice as United Nations ambassador and Hillary Rodham Clinton at State. Eric Holder at the Justice Department is African American, while Bill Richardson at Commerce is Latino.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho2008; bhodod; bhoveterans; obamaregime; obamatransitionfile; shinseki; va
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1 posted on 12/06/2008 8:27:56 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Oh great. Let me guess. His first act will be to authorize all veterans to where a black beret.


2 posted on 12/06/2008 8:30:12 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: My Favorite Headache
...so far, white men are the minority with two nominations

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a racist.

3 posted on 12/06/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
ama will announce the selection of Shinseki, the first Army four-star general of Japanese-American ancestry, at a news conference Sunday in Chicago. He will be the first Asian-American to hold the post of Veterans Affairs secretary, adding to the growing diversity of Obama's Cabinet.

More important than checking racist or ethnic boxes, Shinseki is a former Special Forces Officer...

4 posted on 12/06/2008 8:31:37 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

LOL. He was never in SOF.


5 posted on 12/06/2008 8:33:40 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“...so far, white men are the minority with two nominations”

And I suppose Shinseki will be the first “yellow” one?

I’m so sick of this ridiculous race labeling BS.


6 posted on 12/06/2008 8:33:59 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: headstamp 2

Race is all the DemocRATS have. That is why November’s election was about race and nothing but race.


7 posted on 12/06/2008 8:37:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: BGHater
LOL. He was never in SOF.

You are correct - he is a Ranger.

8 posted on 12/06/2008 8:39:36 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: My Favorite Headache
He will be the first Asian-American to hold the post of Veterans Affairs secretary, adding to the growing diversity of Obama's Cabinet.

He will also be the first Veterans Affairs secretary to wear a size 8 1/2 shoe. That is pretty "historical" in itself! Geeez. We're going to need a whole bunch of new "history" books before the "messiah" is done appointing his cabinet.

9 posted on 12/06/2008 8:40:22 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Wasn’t Shinseki the nut who took the black berets from the Rangers and gave it to all Army soldiers and then contracted to have them produced in China?

Remember this:

Army Recalling China-Made Black Berets
May 2, 2001

Facing growing criticism from Congress, the Army has decided to recall and dispose of hundreds of thousands of black berets made in China, officials announced today.

Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, ordered the move after lawmakers voiced concerns that the purchase appeared to violate federal rules to buy American-made products if they are available.

‘’The Army chief of staff has determined that U.S. troops shall not wear berets made in China or berets made with Chinese content,’’ the deputy secretary of defense, Paul Wolfowitz, said in a statement today.

Pentagon officials said the standoff with China over the detention last month of the crew of an American surveillance plane had increased the pressure to cancel the beret deal.

The House Armed Services Committee held a briefing last week to address members’ concerns that the Army was violating rules to ‘’buy American,’’ officials said.

The Army has countered that its decision to buy the berets from China and Sri Lanka, Romania, Canada and South Africa was in response to a tight deadline it set to acquire 1.3 million berets by June 14, the Army’s birthday. One American manufacturer is furnishing some of the berets, officials said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E4DF1438F931A35756C0A9679C8B63


10 posted on 12/06/2008 8:41:46 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Say what you will, but I’ve always loved his mushrooms.


11 posted on 12/06/2008 8:42:50 PM PST by billorites
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To: My Favorite Headache

“Diversity” was the name of the game at Freddie and Fannie until the “diversity” crowd made millions while bankrupting that fiasco. I’m not getting “warm fuzzies” about the US Government right now.


12 posted on 12/06/2008 8:47:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Good grief. The infatuation with skin color with these freaks. How about some diversity of thought?


13 posted on 12/06/2008 8:54:37 PM PST by cpanter (Babies, guns and Jesus. Hot Damn! - Rush on the Palin pick.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

While I honor Gen. Shinseki’s long service, I wonder what his qualifications are as far as fixing the long-dysfunctional VA Medical System. This is only going to become worse as Vietnam vets age and the current forces with their grevious wounds require care.


14 posted on 12/06/2008 9:00:31 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Disloyal hyphenated “American” backstabber. Just the ticket for the Hussein Obama cabinet.
15 posted on 12/06/2008 9:12:42 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: My Favorite Headache

Oh please God, just make it stop.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 9:19:06 PM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: My Favorite Headache; USNBandit; donna

I don’t think it a good idea that any retired military officers are lending legitimacy to this leftist regime, but not surprised that Shinseki is signing up. I think he intends to run for the Senate as a Democrat in 2010 (Inoyue seat).

For those who want to bring up the beret issue, read this first:

The Real History of the Beret
Whenever General Shinseki’s name comes up, a large contingent of sore heads pipe up with epithets and complaints about his role in the adoption of the black beret as standard Army headgear. Most of these comments are ill informed and display profound ignorance of the history of this uniform item in the U.S. Army. Since I have been around for many of the events surrounding the use of the beret in the U.S. Army, I thought it might be useful to tell the real story.
Other armies have worn berets since at least World War I. American Army interest in them seems to date from World War II when British elite units tended to wear them: maroon for airborne, green for commando, and black for tank units. The tankers claimed to be the first to wear them in the British Army when they adopted them in WWI for wear inside greasy and dirty tanks and the black color tended to hide the grime. Black became a semi-official color for tankers in most armies around the world, but was not exclusive to that arm of service. None of this mattered much to the U.S. Army because the beret was never officially adopted and despite rumors that it was worn by Rangers, little evidence exists to substantiate this. In any event, the US ended both World War II and Korea with no berets.
In about 1960, Major General William P. Yarborough commanded the still young Special Warfare Center at Ft. Bragg. He had been an airborne pioneer and was the designer of the airborne qualification badge (jump wings). He was a fan of the beret and of many other things British and thought that the beret would be a great item of distinction for Special Forces. Berets had been worn in Special Forces unofficially and secretly prior to that time, but it was Yarborough who brought it out of the closet. Special Forces had settled on green in part because that was the color of the Commando beret, but also because Rogers Rangers, an American Unit in British Service during the French and Indian Wars had worn green Tam O Shanters, a headgear that resembled a beret. At that time, Special Forces carried the lineage and traditions of American Ranger units.
Yarborough, who was known to have a set of brass balls, chose the occasion of President Kennedy’s visit to Ft. Bragg to publically unveil the Green Beret. Kennedy liked them and said so, saving Yarborough a large a$$ chewing and giving Special Forces their green beret. In those days, you didn’t earn your beret, except through assignment to a Special Forces unit, or a unit supporting the Special Warfare Center. Anyone so assigned wore the green beret: clerks, aviators, Psyops, etc. Those who were not SF qualified did not wear the full size unit flash, instead they wore a small bar in the colors of the unit flash. There was no beret ceremony, unless the supply sergeant took a special liking to you. The flash, not the beret was the thing.
In Vietnam, no one wore berets in the field, but around the base camp, in Nha Trang, Pleiku, and elsewhere they abounded. Special Forces wore their green berets. Advisors to Vietnamese units wore the same berets worn by their counterparts: red in the airborne division, black by the armor units and Vietnamese Rangers. Unlike the American and British practice where the beret was pulled over the head from left to right, the Vietnamese followed French practice and pulled in over from right to left. The advisors followed suit. When American LRRP and Ranger units started unofficially wearing berets, they adopted the black color of the Vietnamese Rangers, but wore them in American fashion. These were condoned but not authorized as were many other pieces of headgear that proved very popular on firebases and clubs especially when nurses or USO volunteers were about. Most units that did this claimed to be elite in one way or another.
After Vietnam, most of this stuff disappeared until the advent of the Volunteer Army when, in the interests of attracting America’s youth to a new volunteer Army, an era of any goes was born. Headgear was no exception and berets of all shape and color blossomed along with multicolor baseball caps, cowboy hats, and probably beenies with propellers on top though I don’t remember seeing any of these. This was when the maroon beret came to the airborne forces and tankers at Ft. Hood and the two armored cavalry regiments went with the traditional tanker black beret. This was also the time when the Army reactivated Ranger units, forming battalion sized organizations for the first time since WWII. They wore the black beret as worn unofficially by the Ranger companies in Vietnam. When the Army finally came to its senses and banished these abominations, Special Forces, Airborne troops, and the Rangers were the only ones left with sanctioned berets. The tankers lost theirs despite some very intense lobbying and behind the scenes arguments by the tanker community led by GEN Don Starry.
When the Army stood up a permanent opposing force at Fort Irwin, the tankers were able to sneak through their black beret as the uniform of the opposing force. Starry and many in the armor community continued to lobby for the black beret for tankers, arguing its history and noting that they had no EIB, no CIB and no qualification badges and/or tabs. Shinseki was a part of the armor community, but he was a Major and Lieutenant Colonel during this time frame and was not a leader in this effort – that was GEN Don Starry.
Starry, and others, tried a number of times to get the Army to adopt the beret as the standard headgear. The efforts failed time and time again for various reasons, but never because they were the exclusive right of SF, Abn, and Rangers. Once, GEN Gordon Sullivan, a tanker and Army Chief of Staff was prepared to authorize the beret for the entire army until he looked at himself in the mirror wearing one. That initiative ended then and there.
Shinseki gets the blame because he was the guy who finally made a decision years in the making and because of his hamfisted approach to choosing the color and finessing his decision with the Ranger Regiment. Black was chosen simply because it was the standard color for uniform accessories: raincoats, sweaters, shoes, ties, etc. Had he gotten the Ranger Regimental Commander to request a change of color to Ranger OD, or Commando tan before he made the announcement, there would have been less fuss, except that the beret is just not a very good choice of headgear. This is especially true today since GEN George Casey, the current Army Chief of Staff has decided to combine jump boots with dress blue trousers, security guard white shirts, and a beret into something called an Army uniform, but looks more like the drill team of the Gay Caballeros Marching Band.
So Shinseki gets a bad rap on this one in my opinion. Likewise the Stryker issue, at least in the opinion of most Stryker veterans of Iraq. He’s fair game on his political inclinations, but he played that pretty close to the chest until he was out of uniform, as he should have done.
Disclaimer: I know and served with Rick Shinseki and found him to be a professional and competent soldier. I didn’t know his politics then and certainly don’t agree with whom he’s decided to encamp. Of course, in Hawaii, where he’s from there is no Republican party much like my native Arkansas when I was young and a Democrat. He is an Armor officer, hence no CIB or EIB. All Regular Army officers in his era were required to go to Ranger School. He saw considerable combat service in Vietnam and lost part of a foot in addition to other wounds. I much prefer the Ranger Tan beret to the black one – much more distinctive and no danger of being mistaken for a tanker and have long thought that the Ranger s are too good to be still sniveling over this one.


17 posted on 12/06/2008 9:26:28 PM PST by centurion316
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Thanks for that information—I remember as a young tanker in Germany in the late 70s-early 80s, the constant rumors that we were to get the black beret. I did like the army tan short sleeve uniform we had, kinda between the cottons and dress greens. Outfitted with the yellow “tanker” scarf/dickie thingie instead of a tie, the look would have been perfect with a black beret and highly polished jump boots... Maybe we should go back to the old “Sam Browns”.


18 posted on 12/06/2008 10:07:48 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: centurion316

Please provide the source of your post, thanks.


19 posted on 12/06/2008 11:41:54 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: USNBandit

Hopefully, he won’t “order” us to.


20 posted on 12/07/2008 12:23:51 AM PST by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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