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Brain swelling blamed in many Mount Everest deaths
News Daily ^ | Dec 9, 2008 | Will Dunham

Posted on 12/10/2008 12:06:19 AM PST by fightinJAG

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To: colorcountry
large lungs :)

As in: "Look at the lungs on that chick?"

21 posted on 12/10/2008 8:57:29 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

:)


22 posted on 12/10/2008 8:59:41 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: hellbender
I’ve seen cattle which were pastured at about 8000’ elevation dying of pulmonary edema,

Our pasture is above 8000 ft and this has never occured.

23 posted on 12/10/2008 9:01:27 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: clee1

I don’t know, but I did catch a documentary once where they showed an experienced climbers brain after an MRI... He showed no outward signs of problems, but his brain has major scarring and atrophy in the MRI.


24 posted on 12/10/2008 9:03:28 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: colorcountry

It only occurred occasionally at the place I was working. The popular term for the disorder is “brisket,” but it is really pulmonary edema. I don’t really know the elevation of the pasture where the cow became ill, but it is higher than the ranch itself, which is about 7900’, IIRC.


25 posted on 12/10/2008 11:54:55 AM PST by hellbender
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To: hellbender

Interesting. Our range goes to almost 10,000 ft. It has never seemed to cause any problems. All of the cattle in this area graze up that high.


26 posted on 12/10/2008 11:59:23 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Technocrat

Those Andean Indians have been living at high altitudes for centuries, and have permanent genetic adaptations to low oxygen levels. They also often chew coca, which gives them endurance and tolerance of pain. Climbers who attempt Everest require an extended period of acclimation to the altitude, which they obtain at the base camps. Most people could not possibly make it to the top without oxygen tanks. It would be comparable to being in an aircraft at 30K’ when the cabin lost pressure. Have you heard that Reinhold Messner climbed Everest solo without oxygen? Surely that was one of the most amazing feats of human endurance in history.


27 posted on 12/10/2008 12:01:25 PM PST by hellbender
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To: kms61
Sir Edmund Hillary lived to nearly 90, FWIW.

Yeah, but just think about how long he could have lived.

(lol)

28 posted on 12/10/2008 12:04:06 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: colorcountry
I found something about brisket edema in cattle here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=PbEWJrEtECIC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=brisket+edema&source=web&ots=eOkAuA7hAL&sig=Tzvg0tZbko7awSz8l6zBmCvRFPQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Apparently it can occur at elevations of a little over a mile. Vulnerability depends on heredity, diet, and other factors.

29 posted on 12/10/2008 12:17:02 PM PST by hellbender
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To: hellbender
Yeah, he's a guy named "Green Boots." He's been there for like 10 years! I found that one of the most macabre things about the trek.

I was also suprised to find out that Everest is really not a technical climb. It's more a really rigorous hike. Not that I mean to belittle the accomplishment in any way. But K2 is a much harder "climb" than Everest. As is Denali, so I'm told.

30 posted on 12/10/2008 3:41:58 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

As cold as it stays up there, I doubt there’s much of a smell. But the Sherpas and Tibetans consider the mountain sacred, and the shabby treatment it receives at the hands of some of the tourists is a source of shame.


31 posted on 12/10/2008 3:43:23 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: milestogo
That seems unlikely given the extreme temperatures on the summit.

Eye-witness testimony.

32 posted on 12/10/2008 3:45:21 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

No, the body I was thinking of was one of the American expedition leaders who was killed after trying to get one of his clients to the summit and back. Probably Rob Hall, or maybe Scott Fisher.


33 posted on 12/10/2008 4:57:04 PM PST by hellbender
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To: clee1
I’d really like to see the data of death age vs. life expectancy for the exact demographic represented by each successful summiter, as well as the cause of death.

Now that I think of it, you're correct. You'd have to get all that stood on the peak and compare them to equally fit individuals but with same risk factors of smoke, drink and other health and familial maladies... then compare run the numbers.

I still think that the climbers select themselves out as being above the average for fitness and health. I just don't see a 300 lb. couch potato, smoking a cig, climbing out of mama's basement and away from his X-Box 360 then heading for Nepal.

So I guess the fitness of the climbers would be the more telling stat. I suppose then you'd have to consider the risk of the climb versus climbing safer peaks. .... and on and on it goes.

34 posted on 12/10/2008 5:02:12 PM PST by erman
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To: hellbender

I remember reading about that - it was incredible. The highest I have ever been without supplemental is 19500, and I don’t think I could have gone much higher without it.


35 posted on 12/10/2008 5:03:17 PM PST by Technocrat (Palin-Romney 2012!! Or vice versa.)
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To: colorcountry
All of the cattle in this area graze up that high.

Not to be disparaging of your cattle, but how can you tell if they have brain damage. The overwhelming number I've cattle I've met didn't see all that witty and didn't get my jokes.

36 posted on 12/10/2008 5:07:42 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob
The overwhelming number I've cattle I've met didn't see all that witty and didn't get my jokes.

Not to mention that they tend to fart a lot, too.

37 posted on 12/10/2008 5:10:12 PM PST by exit82 (It's all Obama's fault. And Biden is still a moron. They are both above their paygrade.)
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To: nascarnation
Reaching the summit is optional, getting back down alive is mandatory
38 posted on 12/10/2008 5:11:02 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: fightinJAG

Brain swelling from any cause is very serious. About 2 years ago I had swelling as a result of hyponatremia (Low sodium blood level) and the case was complected by a to rapid increase of my sodium level at the hospital that ALSO caused swelling. I was in a very screwed up neurological position for over a year.
Out of hospital my sister had to hand feed me ground up food because of the tremors and difficulty swallowing.


39 posted on 12/10/2008 5:27:31 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

sounds like you read Ed Viesturs book, which I thought was great


40 posted on 12/10/2008 5:30:25 PM PST by nascarnation
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