Posted on 12/13/2008 11:40:57 AM PST by Red Steel
Furthermore, to add to my last post, the Electors will not be able to say were not informed:
“If documents some day prove Barack Obama is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution, none of the 538 Electoral College members who vote him into office Monday will be able to claim ignorance.
That’s after 3,653 citizens had enough concern over the allegations, they participated in a WND effort to deliver letters to every elector, urging them to investigate. ...”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83458
-PJ
LoL!
Oh, I have been paying attention. Donofrio's suit was fatally flawed no matter who he was targeting. It relied on a totally bogus premise, to wit, that there exists a 'born a citizen but not a natural born citizen' class of citizen. Or has someone actually come up with some proof of his assertion?
Assuming the matter is resolved, it will come down to this. All the legal precedent cited on all these threads has no bearing on the Constitution, nor does it have bearing upon qualification for the office of President. The meaning of the term "natural born citizen" is only supported by an argument informed by original intent.
It won't be too late for 2012.
All of a sudden I find myself being PRO-VOICE!! Let the "little peoples" voice be heard at the Supreme Court.
Maybe, if Obama had ever been a brother. He's supposedly east African and causasian, and has never lived the black experience in the United States. His ancestry consists of slave owners, not slaves.
Can you imagine a president found in violation of the Constitution by just occupying the office. Even if he did some how survive the four years of his term, I think the political damage could not be overcome. The Dems would go down like the proverbial Titanic sinking in the next coming elections.
Barry is born of a white womb, too. He’s not actually ‘the first black president’ as black people would normally have defiend that status. So, the poseur is even pissing on black people with his scam.
I’m with you.
Don't "STAY ME," Broe!
So, does that mean we should throw out all the SCOTUS rulings that make no distinction among those born as citizens regardless of where they were born or how many citizen parents they have or even what type of citizenship the citizen parent(s) held? Not once in any of the cited rulings has there been a phrase along the lines of: "while [person x] can never be elected President due to lack of 'natural born' status, [person x] is a citizen and has been so from birth." Just because we don't like the result doesn't mean we can pretend it doesn't count (ala P.A. Madison and Why U.S. v. Kim Wong Ark Can Never Be Considered Settled Birthright Law.)
It means that these rulings do not pertain to Constitutional requirements to become President. It's clear that the term has been misused, since it only appears in reference to that office.
Beyond that is conjecture.
The puns write themselves, don’t they, lol?
Isn't any definition of 'natural born citizen' that differs from the dictionary definition going to be based on conjecture? Isn't it conjecture to state that there was some never articulated alternate meaning? Isn't it conjecture to argue that the FFs held some consensus view of the meaning that was different from the dictionary definition but that they failed to write it down or even debate it? That they weren't aware of the dictionary definition? Occam's razor.
Assuming the matter is resolved, it will come down to this. All the legal precedent cited on all these threads has no bearing on the Constitution, nor does it have bearing upon qualification for the office of President. The meaning of the term “natural born citizen” is only supported by an argument informed by original intent.
Back to your beloved dictionary again? I though we'd covered that ground a while back, with one of the meanings, of the definition you favored so much as to post on your FR homepage, being "innate." Obama is not innately a citizen of the United States at birth, because he was also a subject of Great Britain.
I hope you've never bought or bred a registered breed of dog, with your overly credulous glossing over of such a term. Is the offspring of a bulldog and a retriever, still a bulldog? Or is it something else?
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