Date Set For Broe v. Reed ( En Banc Court; Obama BC Suit Jan 8, 2009)

Logos International ^ | December 10, 2008 | Stephen Pidgeon

[Red Steel]

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12 Washington voters sue to set aside the election of Barack Obama in Washington.

Bellevue, WA, December 10, 2008 — The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009.

On December 4, 2008, James (Jim) Broe and 11 other Washington voters sued Secretary of State Sam Reed in the Washington Supreme Court, seeking a Writ of Mandamus to require the Secretary to set aside the votes cast for Senator Barack Obama, because at the time of the election, Senator Obama had failed to establish that he was a “natural born citizen” of the United States, failed to establish that he was an American citizen, and that he was not running under his legal name of Barry Soetoro.

Summary Of Arguments

December 10, 2008

Broe v. Reed Washington State Supreme Court Cause No. 8-2-473-8

Standing

According to Black’s Law Dictionary, “standing” to sue means that the party has sufficient stake – that the party is sufficiently affected - in an otherwise justiciable controversy to obtain judicial resolution of that controversy. “Standing” is satisfied if the plaintiff has a legally protectable and tangible interest at stake in the litigation.

Many of the cases challenging Sen. Obama’s citizenship status have been dismissed for “lack of standing.”

Plaintiffs in Broe v. Reed claim standing pursuant to the authorization given them by the legislature of Washington in RCW 29A.68.020(2). This statute creates standing for Plaintiffs to challenge the election of a candidate who has been elected but was ineligible at the time of his election to run for the office.

The duties of Washington’s Secretary of State

The Secretary of State is declared, under RCW 29A.04.230 to be “the chief election officer for all federal, state, county, city, town and district elections.” The Secretary of State is “required by law” to . . . coordinate those state election activities required by federal law. Read more

[djf]

Yup.

It needs a signature, usually of the attending physician or someone who was involved with and present at the delivery.

Then it is turned over to the hospital registrar, who usually also signs it.

It can be considered an affidavit of sorts.

[El Gato]

Other copies of this long form of a Certificate of Live Birth, which have a green background and show a date in 1963, have been published on different web sites. These images are based on a Certificate of Live Birth which would have been created at a hospital and but had not yet received and processed by State of Hawaii, Department of Health.

I don't know, but that "black and white" certified copy looks like a negative of a photostatic copy, pretty much the state of the art in 1963. The original document is most likely the white with green background version. I think I can see some trace of the original "hatch" pattern, right above the "B" in the General Registrar's signature and also above the signature of the Health Director.

I've got a copy of my 1970 marriage license that doesn't look much different, although it is a positive image, and now quite "washed out". That copy was probably produced around 1982 or '83.

[calenel]

"Which dictionary? The best would be a legal dictionary, from as close to, but before, 1789 as possible. Even a "regular dictionary" from near that period would be OK. Any dictionary from later than the founding generation, say the death of Jefferson and (John) Adams, July 4, 1826, 50 years after the Declaration of Independence, which both had hand in writing, is not really useful in understanding what Jay and Washington meant by the clause in question. "

The reference I have been using (Random House and Webster via dictionary.reference.com) indicates that the origin of the phrase 'natural born' was in the late 16th century, and there is no indication that the meaning has substantively changed until, well, Leo Donofrio redefined it.

[NewEnglander]

Thanks for your input. I will have to check the original certified paper copy for signs of some traces of any “hatch” patterns. The copying technology in February/July 1962 was very basic as compared to today.

[RegulatorCountry]

When you find that origin, let’s get back together, calenel. The concept of “liege,” the root of allegiance, is apparently an alien concept for you.

[calenel]

"Please provide a source for this"

I happened to be at the library and I checked the Oxford English Dictionary. It says the term 'natural born' has been around since at least 1583. And guess what! It has the same definition I have cited. I guess that means Oxford isn't credible any more, either.

[calenel]

"When you find that origin, let’s get back together, calenel. The concept of “liege,” the root of allegiance, is apparently an alien concept for you."

Are we discussing the root of 'natural born' or of 'allegiance?' Or are you saying something else entirely? Try again, but be a little less oblique.

[RegulatorCountry]

You’re being a little cute with this, calenel. We’re speaking of “natural born citizen,” not merely natural born.

[RegulatorCountry]

You’re being disingenuous, calenel. And here I thought you actually wanted to understand the underpinnings of the concept.

[calenel]

You asked me where I got the origin information for ‘natural born.’ I answered. I even got a second opinion. I have been asking for a counter argument that is comprised of more than hope and wishes. I am still waiting. Show me where another definition of the term exists. Show me where the FFs articulated such, and further, where they adopted such. Show me how a consensus was achieved such that not only did the FFs not debate which meaning was to be construed, they also did not feel it necessary to document which definition they intended be used. The definition of ‘natural born’ does not change just because it is used to modify ‘citizen.’ If it did, then that specific definition would have been in the dictionaries as well, as is the case with other expressions.

[BP2]

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