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On Vikings and Victims: White-Guilt in Context
American Thinker ^ | December 14, 2008 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 12/14/2008 1:17:55 AM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/14/2008 1:17:55 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
1. Excellent points.

2. You leave out the loser dynamic. Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That's like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game.

Why not start taking pride in Western culture?
Why not resume having more than 1-2 children and resume teaching them about all the good in our history and traditions?
Why not take teaching jobs in the schools to expose other children to the idea that our history and culture are overall good things?

2 posted on 12/14/2008 1:28:19 AM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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To: neverdem
None of this is meant to exonerate the crimes of the white-man, but rather to put them in context by indicating that all people -- white, black, yellow, red, whatever -- are the same; they war, and, when capable -- keyword -- go on the offensive in search of conquest and hegemony.

Here he contradicts himself. In fact, the very usage of the expression, "crimes of the white man", represents a submission to the liberal view that the article rails against. And then on top of that, as a matter of form, he rejects the notion that all of his exculpatory rhetoric can exonerate him. "Take up the white man's burden --"

3 posted on 12/14/2008 1:42:23 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: MathDoc

it’s hard to be proud of European culture.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 1:49:50 AM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom
it’s hard to be proud of European culture.

Read some Shakespeare. You'll feel better.
5 posted on 12/14/2008 2:02:52 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: ari-freedom

The Origins of Political Correctness An Accuracy in Academia Address by Bill Lind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308645/posts


6 posted on 12/14/2008 2:04:10 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: ari-freedom
The bad news:

Niccolò Fontana was the son of Michele Fontana, a rider and deliverer. In 1505, Michele was murdered and Niccolò, his two siblings, and his mother were impoverished. Niccolò experienced further tragedy in 1512 when the French invaded Brescia during the War of the League of Cambrai. The militia of Brescia defended their city for seven days. When the French finally broke through, they took their revenge by massacring the inhabitants of Brescia. By the end of battle, over 45,000 residents were killed. During the massacre, a French soldier sliced Niccolò's jaw and palate. This made it impossible for Niccolò to speak normally, prompting the nickname "Tartaglia" (stammerer).

The good news:

In 1530, Niccolò Tartaglia (1500-1557) received two problems in cubic equations from Zuanne da Coi and announced that he could solve them. He was soon challenged by Fiore, which led to a famous contest between the two. Each contestant had to put up a certain amount of money and to propose a number of problems for his rival to solve. Whoever solved more problems within 30 days would get all the money. Tartaglia received questions in the form x3 + mx = n, for which he had worked out a general method. Fiore received questions in the form x3 + mx2 = n, which proved to be too difficult for him to solve, and Tartaglia won the contest.

Why don't you try a couple of these? Then swell with pride for Tartaglia and European culture!

7 posted on 12/14/2008 2:06:04 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: fr_freak

I don’t consider England as part of Europe. :)


8 posted on 12/14/2008 2:10:39 AM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: MathDoc
Why not take teaching jobs in the schools to expose other children to the idea that our history and culture are overall good things?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is not the solution. The government schools are utterly liberal/Marxist in their orientation and are legally and officially godless. So?...What happens when conservative and religious people attempt to sneak in a little Christian morality and appreciation of Western Culture?

Answer: They teach all the children that Christian conservatives are sneaky.

Solution:

* Get you own children out of the government schools.

* Encourage your neighbor to do the same.

* Support candidates that promote privatization of universal K-12 education.

* Organize with your neighbors to support all measure that cut off funding to these Marxist government indoctrination camps.

From its very inception, the philosophy that underlies government schools is socialistic. The purpose of government education is the creation of pliable and easily manipulated masses.

Also, government schools and the First Amendment are utterly incompatible.

* As for colleges and universities, conservatives should open new colleges and universities.

* If conservatives give money to existing liberal/Marxist colleges and universities they should pool their gifts together. Large gifts can have big thick strings that demand reform.

* And...Finally, Charles Murray is right. We should move to credentialing and credentialing exams and organizations. Very little of the work done in the U.S. requires a college education.

9 posted on 12/14/2008 2:15:10 AM PST by wintertime
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Lukacs, who was considered the most brilliant Marxist theorist since Marx himself,...

The above is an exerpt from Lind's article and implies that Marx was "brilliant." Not in the least.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html

10 posted on 12/14/2008 2:17:52 AM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: Misterioso

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html


11 posted on 12/14/2008 2:18:36 AM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: neverdem

Okay....So?..What is the real underlying problem here?

Answer: Marxism.

It is the goal of the Marxist movement to demoralize and undermine Western Culture. They have slowly eating away at the foundations of our culture for more than a 100 years.

Marxism is our nation’s most serious threat. Schools are the Marxists’ most important and powerful weapon.


12 posted on 12/14/2008 2:19:20 AM PST by wintertime
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To: neverdem
Although all humans of all races are bigoted in some form I truly do not consider myself racist.

However I find it hard to believe that the world would be better off if the white man had never left Europe.

Consider if you will the state of Africa or Asia today , which by the way were drug into the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries kicking and screaming by Europeans.

True, we did introduce firearms to them, but eventually someone, somewhere would have figured it out.

Thank God Almighty that my ancestors where greedy, adventurous pioneers because I get to live in the greatest nation the WORLD has ever known.

Whenever I argue this point with my liberal friends/co-workers they always change the subject because they have no rebuttal, public school and all ya' know.

FLAME AWAY TROLLS.

13 posted on 12/14/2008 2:37:54 AM PST by SantosLHalper (Liberals - The first to cry for tolerance. The first to shut you up when you don't agree with them.)
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To: SantosLHalper

Dittos on that!


14 posted on 12/14/2008 2:42:15 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: SantosLHalper

Didn’t China introduce firearms to us? Although granted we heavily improved on their original.


15 posted on 12/14/2008 2:47:01 AM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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To: Misterioso
I don't not know what you are talking about and I do not think that you know what you're talking about either. William Lind has been in the forefront of the crusade against The Frankfurt School. To twist a phrase out of context to suggest the contrary is worse than poor scholarship.


16 posted on 12/14/2008 2:56:26 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Misterioso
I don't not know what you are talking about and I do not think that you know what you're talking about either. William Lind has been in the forefront of the crusade against The Frankfurt School. To twist a phrase out of context to suggest the contrary is worse than poor scholarship.


17 posted on 12/14/2008 2:56:50 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: MathDoc

The BIGGEST problem is the ennemy from within and its endless self-denigration-hatred against “western civilization”.
These enemies from within are the best allies of the islamic barbarians...

Therefore it is urgent to locate that enemies and FIGHT THEM AT LAST...
GWBUSH obviously failed in that fight and it paved the way for the OSAMABAMA’s hijacking of USA


18 posted on 12/14/2008 3:00:51 AM PST by Ulysse (.)
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To: nathanbedford

My comment refers to the assertion that Marx was brilliant. Do you agree with this opinion? I don’t know who William Lind is (pity me) and that probably won’t change.


19 posted on 12/14/2008 3:19:26 AM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: Misterioso

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308645/posts


20 posted on 12/14/2008 3:26:32 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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