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To: Dave in Eugene of all places
This whole ordeal su*ks. Two dead, one a civilian...injured...Oregon is so very beautiful. I don't know the stats but I have a feeling there are comparable amount of militias and survivalist antiAmerican old hippie radical jerkwads as there are in Idaho. Not to say ALL are bad guys and gals.

This from a person who loves Oregon but abhors tie dyed anything. OTOH( if the bomber has one) this guy looks like a militia good old boy...maybe Russian? Italian?( as some folks state) maybe a supremacist...he certainly isn't smart enough to have throw away clothes...maybe the scruff is fake??

40 posted on 12/15/2008 7:56:16 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Karliner
The Klinton administration tried to paint the whole militant / white separatist / Timothy McVeigh sympathizer face on Oregon conservative groups back when, but it didn't stick.

Here, where such groups exist, they generally focus on staying away from government, survival without a government, and sometimes do community service that relates to their inventory of skills & equipment. They don't advocate overthrow of government, but rather envision a collapse from other causes, and just bide their time and prepare. Grudgingly voted McCain.

The “old hippies” are of two stripes - one being the very establishment they once disdained, with little actual hippie remaining except when they put on their costumes to go to Renaissance Faire. Voted Obama. The others, rural dwellers, one time societal dropouts mellowed by age and integrated into their communities, and often associate with the survivalists. Voted Libertarian.

The younger “tie dye” crowd is mostly 420 dopers, young and old, who don't care much about anything. May have voted for Obama but more likely didn't vote at all.

The ELFers are the most militant subculture in Oregon, who hate the idea of making a profit from resource extraction or land development, and make their efforts known through spectacular acts of violent property destruction, often by fire. Voted Green.

The anarchists have localized tantrums in the city center, throwing rocks and breaking windows, terrorizing random motorists by jumping upon and smashing their cars. They want some unknown form of communist dictatorship that will force the rich to give them free money and housing. Just how anarchy will accomplish that remains a mystery. Voted Green, if at all.

44 posted on 12/15/2008 10:31:59 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Starve the beast.)
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