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To: reaganaut1

“Underfunded” is a spin term.

The correct description is “looted.” State governments looted the pension funds to pay for entitlement spending.


11 posted on 12/21/2008 4:57:57 AM PST by Terpfen (Ain't over yet, folks. Those 2004 Senate gains are up for grabs in 2 years.)
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To: Terpfen
The correct description is “looted.” State governments looted the pension funds to pay for entitlement spending.

Bingo!!

14 posted on 12/21/2008 5:00:40 AM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Terpfen
You are correct. Many state pension funds are, like the Social Security "Trust Fund", fictions of accounting. The requirements for state governments to maintain sufficient invested reserves to fund retirement liabilities are often ignored in favor of new spending. Deficits and interest on debt service result. Politicians then turn to the private sector for relief of the problems their own profligacy has caused.

It is also interesting to note that most private companies have shifted their retirement plans from defined benefit (formula-based and employer-funded) to defined contribution (employee-controlled and -funded, with a tax incentive for employer matches). These plans, of which 401(k)'s are the dominant type, are more efficient and shift responsibility for retirement funding to the individual rather than the employing entity.

Government employers at all levels have resisted any such efforts at reform because of state and municipal union pressure and the politicians' endless appetite for more spending and vote-buying. Many of these underfunded/looted IOU's will soon come due, and the results will not be pretty.

23 posted on 12/21/2008 5:42:43 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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