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Perfect Space Storm Could be Catastrophic on Earth, Study Concludes
Yahoo! News ^ | January 7, 2009 | Roy Britt

Posted on 01/07/2009 8:30:00 AM PST by presidio9

A new study from the National Academy of Sciences outlines grim possibilities on Earth for a worst-case scenario solar storm.

Damage to power grids and other communications systems could be catastrophic, the scientists conclude, with effects leading to a potential loss of governmental control of the situation.

The prediction is based in part on major solar storm in 1859 caused telegraph wires to short out in the United States and Europe, igniting widespread fires. It was perhaps the worst in the past 200 years, according to the new study, and with the advent of modern power grids and satellites, much more is at risk.

"A contemporary repetition of the [1859] event would cause significantly more extensive (and possibly catastrophic) social and economic disruptions," the researchers conclude.

'Command and control might be lost'

When the sun is in the active phase of its 11-year cycle, it can unleash powerful magnetic storms that disable satellites, threaten astronaut safety, and even disrupt communication systems on Earth. The worst storms can knock out power grids by inducing currents that melt transformers.

Modern power grids are so interconnected that a big space storm -- the type expected to occur about once a century -- could cause a cascade of failures that would sweep across the United States, cutting power to 130 million people or more in this country alone, the new report concludes.

Such widespread power outages, though expected to be a rare possibility, would affect other vital systems.

"Impacts would be felt on interdependent infrastructures with, for example, potable water distribution affected within several hours; perishable foods and medications lost in 12-24 hours; immediate or eventual loss of heating/air conditioning,

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To: maine-iac7

We are “elderly”, and are well prepared for everything but losing our well pump.

Would a gas Generator work in this scenario?


41 posted on 01/07/2009 10:56:12 AM PST by jacquej
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To: Night Hides Not

maybe the messiah knows something....lol...


42 posted on 01/07/2009 11:08:54 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: presidio9
leading to a potential loss of governmental control

Huge Manatee

43 posted on 01/07/2009 11:11:14 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: jacquej
Would a gas Generator work in this scenario?

yes -

During the Ice Storm, my son lent a generator to the fire station - which then could provide a water source to the rest of us...

but I would love to;ve had a generator for my house

44 posted on 01/07/2009 11:19:13 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7
I think I would have bought an electric generator before I went with a hand pump. I presume your well isn't that deep?

My survival plan for Y2K was to make a list of all my anti-gun neighbors who kept bragging about all their preparations, and then buy some weapons. :-)

I read a cheesy book called “Life as we knew it” which postulated the moon getting much closer to earth and in a radical orbit that caused climate changes and tidal waves and knocked out the electric grid. It chronicled one girl and her family and their struggle to survive until the government could save them, which realistically took much longer than most people could survive.

45 posted on 01/07/2009 11:53:07 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: liege

Think I will go smear bacon all over the knobs and put up some nudie photos in the radio room just to be sure.


46 posted on 01/07/2009 12:16:38 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I think I would have bought an electric generator before I went with a hand pump. I presume your well isn't that deep?

I would've, could I have afforded it.

My well is a 'deep' well, but I live on a ridge - surrounded by bogs. Very high water table - even at "high noon in mid-July" :o) - so hand pump works.

47 posted on 01/07/2009 12:30:53 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: presidio9
...with effects leading to a potential loss of governmental control of the situation.

Given the current situation, this would be a net improvement.

48 posted on 01/07/2009 12:43:53 PM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: ZX12R

“I don’t remember exactly when, but 20 or 30 years ago, I saw the aurora borealis in Florida. Must have been a good storm then too.”

I used to see strange stuff all of the time, now I can only see Uranus.


49 posted on 01/07/2009 12:53:33 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: maine-iac7

My old house had a 30-foot-deep dug well, with a 3-foot casing, so we could actually crawl down into it to do the plumbing work (pump was a surface pump located IN my basement with two pipes down the well with a venturi system). Water quality was always poor though.

When I hooked to county water, I kept my well operational, and hooked it up so it ran the outdoor faucets (providing water for grass watering). Figured I’d have water if the county water got shut off, although I could only pump solid for 40 minutes before the well would run too low (it was slow AND bad quality).

I’ve thought about spending a good chunk of money for a natural gas generator — my utility company will deliver and install it, with all the permits and hookup automatic cutovers for about $7000 for a system that would run my entire house.

Of course, if the natural gas was turned off with the electricity, I’d need another source of gas, but it was a sweat generator.

I have a Prius, and some people have rigged their Priuses so they can serve as house generators — you have to hack into the main battery lines because the 12-volt circuit is very low wattage, but the big battery and the gas generator can do thousands of watts easily. Then I’d just need a supply of gasoline. The engine only turns on when the battery needs charging, so it truly is a reasonable emergency generator solution. But I don’t want to void my car warranty.

My family has a 2-month supply of food we carry on our persons at all times. :-) Hint: Think Richard from Survivor. :-)


50 posted on 01/07/2009 1:59:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
My family has a 2-month supply of food we carry on our persons at all times

Yep - bug out bags should be in every home...along with 'training.'

Family camping trips to learn skills would be fun AND could, one day, prove to be vital.

Knowing which 'wild' foods are edible, how to fish, how to build shelters, how to catch-skin-cook a rabbit. How to make emergency snowshoes, how to shoot 'quiet' bows and arrows - etc etc.

All skills for fun and recreation - or emergencies.

I'd rather live free in the forest than in a city mansion housing many Plebeians and a BLOCK BOSS.

51 posted on 01/07/2009 5:09:24 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7

I was being funny. The “2-month supply of food” I carry is because I am a typical overweight american. :-)

Or, as I said during Y2K “I’m 60 days overweight”.


52 posted on 01/07/2009 9:18:57 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Night Hides Not
LOL!! Google is pretty quick.

I Googled, "Their droppings foul fifty-seven stars" to see if that was a made-up "Nostradamusism".

The only hit was your #24 on this thread!!!

Ha Ha!

53 posted on 01/07/2009 9:23:54 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: presidio9; All

Where Is Solar Cycle 24 Headed?

by Carl Luetzelschwab K9LA

WorldRadio Propagation columnist and frequent contributor to ham radio publications, Carl contributed this short article on the much-anticipated and long-awaited Cycle 24. Isn’t this better than another exhortation to take on New Year’s resolutions? Enjoy! - 73, Ward N0AX

There are more than 50 predictions for Cycle 24 in the scientific community. These predictions are based on a variety of models (precursor, neural network, spectral, and others), and range from a low smoothed sunspot number of 40 to a high smoothed sunspot number of 185. With so many predictions, it’s obvious that our understanding of the physical processes in the Sun that make solar cycles is lacking. Hopefully scientists will gain additional knowledge when Cycle 24 is over to better forecast future cycles.

But before we even think about where Cycle 24 is headed, we need to emerge from the current solar minimum period. Looking at all historical data tells us that the average duration at solar minimum (based on my definition of the number of months when the smoothed sunspot number is below 20) is around 37 months.
The length of solar minima since Cycle 1.

Cycle 23 descended through a smoothed sunspot number of 20 in February 2006 and the latest data indicates a smoothed sunspot number of around 5 for June 2008, so at the present time we’re just approaching the average duration of a solar minimum period. Whoa, just approaching the average - that’s depressing, isn’t it?

The data also tells us that there are eight other solar minimum periods that are longer than what we’re experiencing. Thus we have quite a way to go before this solar minimum period sets any record (by the way, the record is 96 months for the period between Cycle 5 and Cycle 6 based on my definition). It’s interesting to note that the solar minimum periods in our lifetime (in fact, beginning with the minimum between Cycles 17 and 18) have been around 24 months - much less than the historical average. So we’ve been spoiled by shorter than average solar minimum periods, and when something approaching the average comes along we naturally wonder if it’s unusual. Based on all historical data, we are not experiencing anything unusual.
The observed trend relating inter-cycle minimum length to intensity of the following cycle.

Another interesting fact that comes out of the historical data is the correlation between the length of the solar minimum period and the maximum smoothed sunspot number of the next cycle. It shows a trend of smaller cycles following longer solar minimum periods.

If this solar minimum period ends up around the average of 37 months (where it appears to be headed), then it suggests that Cycle 24 is headed towards being an average (or even below average) cycle. This certainly contradicts the very high smoothed sunspot number predictions made by several scientists (for example, by Dr. Dikpati at The University Corporation of Atmospheric Research). But note that we only have 22 data points, which is a very small sample of a process that has likely been going on for thousands of years. So anything could happen - we’ll just have to wait and see what Cycle 24 does.


54 posted on 01/08/2009 2:16:03 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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To: presidio9
These perfect storm stories are a necessary perquisite for the shutdown of the global Internet, cell and satellite communications systems.

The planet is coming apart at the seams, and a measure of order and control must be imposed.

It can not be attributed to any ones in power particular initiative. There will be billions of more pissed off people.

Blame the Sol, and get ready for the lights to go out for a bit.

55 posted on 02/20/2011 8:36:19 PM PST by mmercier
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