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Creationism Makes Its Mark
religion dispatches ^ | January 6, 2008 | Lauri Lebo

Posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:18 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter

When their son Zachary came home from science class with a cross burned on his forearm It was not the religion that bothered his parents, but the injury to their child. They sued, and brought science v. creationism back into the courts for another round.

Teacher John Freshwater and the brand on the arm of his student

It was a little over three years ago, on December 20, 2005, that Judge John E. Jones III issued his ruling in Kitzmiller v. Dover that intelligent design was not science, but merely repackaged creationism—and that it had no business in biology class.

The hoopla was immediate and enduring. Jones’ decision launched headlines across the globe, not to mention celebrations by the trial’s plaintiffs, their legal team and science experts (who send “Merry Kitzmas” greetings to each other on the anniversary).

For many, the Dover case became a cautionary tale of what can happen when a public school board believes its attempts to insert religion into the classroom can stand up to national attention and legal scrutiny.

But it would be a mistake to think that public school educators of fundamentalist faiths have made peace with science. Attacks on evolutionary education continue to take place out of the national spotlight, in small towns where people are reluctant to challenge the behavior of those clinging to power, and where teachers use their classrooms to proselytize to students away from the disapproving eyes of church-and-state watchdogs. They continue to preach intelligent design, the concept that life’s complexity demands a divine hand, and out-and-out Young Earth Creationism.

X Marks the Spot

Nowhere right now is this more apparent than in the small town of Gambier, Ohio, a place that bears a striking resemblance to the fictional town of Frank Capra’s Bedford Falls.

Here, in late September, just off a wide-spaced street that leads to the green campus of the liberal arts school of Kenyon College, a small-framed woman in dark sunglasses takes a seat at the local restaurant.

She is trying to pass unnoticed. Nervously, she nods to the owner of the establishment. Because she doesn’t know who is on her side and who’s not, Jenifer Dennis keeps her head down.

Only weeks later, Dennis would be forced to out herself publicly. But for now, she is trying to remain anonymous in order to protect her son Zachary from the inevitable recriminations from some who reside in the Mount Vernon School District in conservative south-central Ohio.

Last December she and her husband Steve accused a popular 8th-grade science teacher, John Freshwater, of using an electrostatic device known as a Tesla coil to brand a cross into Zachary’s arm [see image above]. They say the burn, which in photos show an 8-by-4-inch mark on his forearm, raised blisters, kept their son awake that night, and lasted for several weeks.

At first glance, they saw the mark as a religious emblem. But their first concern was less about religion and more about what they considered to be a case of a teacher injuring their son.

Their accusations and their resulting lawsuit against the district have brought them criticism. A sign posted in a yard near their house read, “The student goes. We Support Mr. Freshwater. The Bible stays!”

For all the unusual elements to this story, this part is the strangest. At first, Jenifer and Steve were timid about pursuing legal action against the school district, fearing that they would be perceived as anti-Christian.

They’re not.

“We are religious people,” they said in a statement after they filed suit in June. “But we were offended when Mr. Freshwater burned a cross onto the arm of our child. This was done in science class in December 2007, where an electric shock machine was used to burn our child.”

Changing Stories: An X or a Cross?

The day after the incident, Jenifer and Steve met with the district Superintendent Stephen Short and showed him a photo of her son’s burn. Jenifer recalls that she was told that Freshwater’s use of the device was unacceptable and the district would investigate.

What took place over the next several months is not exactly clear. As is typical in these types of stories, there is much disagreement over who is on the side of truth. But some details have emerged.

The district hired an independent investigator. After a lengthy investigation in which Freshwater, other teachers, students, and administrators were all interviewed, the consultant concluded in a report that Freshwater had been teaching students that evolution is a lie for at least 11 years.

The report also said that Freshwater had witnessed to students, at one point telling them that there couldn’t possibly be a genetic link to homosexuality because the Bible says it is a sin. The report also said that he handed out Bibles to members of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and led them in prayers during school hours. Also, Freshwater said he had given a voluntary extra-credit assignment to students who watched Expelled, a documentary that argues teachers who believe in intelligent design are facing discrimination.

According to the report, Freshwater at first denied the incident. Later he admitted to the experiment, admitting he marked Zachary with an X. However, students interviewed for the investigation all described it as a cross.

The link to the full report is here.

In response to the investigation, Freshwater was told to remove all religious items from his room, including a poster of the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall, stickers with scripture on them, extra Bibles he kept in the back of the classroom, and the Bible that he kept on his desk.

In April, Freshwater, fearing disciplinary action, took his side of the story public. He never mentioned the branding incident. Rather he said it was because of the Bible on his desk.

Because he had refused to remove it, citing religious freedom under the First Amendment, he said he was being persecuted. Students organized a rally for him, bringing their Bibles to school in support. A Web site devoted to Freshwater’s cause is called www.bibleonthedesk.com.

But Dennis said the issue was never about the Bible on the desk. And nowhere in the lawsuit’s initial complaint is it even mentioned.

Rather, she says, it’s because her son was branded.

After Freshwater took his side public, Jenifer said she and her husband were worried Freshwater wouldn’t face disciplinary action. In June, they filed a lawsuit against Freshwater and the district for violating the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause by permitting religion to be taught in class, and for failing to protect their son. Federal law allows such civil liberties cases to be filed anonymously. Freshwater has filed a countersuit, citing defamation of character.

In July, the school board suspended Freshwater without pay based on the investigatory report, saying he had misused the electrical device, taught religion in his science class, and failed to follow district curriculum and rules.

Both sides are now awaiting the outcome of administrative hearing to determine whether he should be permanently fired. The hearings took place this fall and have been continued until January 6.

For now, while he waits for the outcome of the hearings, Freshwater is selling Christmas trees. Last week, he said he believes the district is retaliating against him because he advocated for “critical analysis” of evolution in 2003.

“They’ve marked me as a religious—I don’t know if I want to use this phrase about myself—but as a religious fanatic,” Freshwater said.

Freshwater is careful to say he doesn’t object to all elements of evolutionary theory, but would simply like to raise some questions about it. He said that in the 21 years he has been a teacher, he has been using the Tesla coil on students, even though manufacturer instructions warn that it is not to be used on human skin. He said he has never had one complaint until now.

Freshwater said that there is no way to tell whether the photo presented by the Dennis family that shows the mark of a cross on a forearm was doctored, or whether it was even Zachary’s arm.

When asked if he was accusing the family of lying, Freshwater said, “Don’t put words in my mouth.”

While he admits using the device on Zachary, he said he didn’t know if it left a mark.

Not Always a Rural Issue

Despite the gruesome elements, the story is less unusual than at first appears.

According to a poll published this spring in the Public Library of Science Biology, one in eight US high school teachers presents creationism as a valid alternative to evolution.

The poll, conducted by Michael Berkman, a political scientist at Pennsylvania State University in University Park, and his colleagues, also learned that 16 percent of teachers believe in creationism.

While Berkman’s research did not address why so many teachers are creationists, he speculated in an e-mail that biology appeals to even fundamentalist Christians:

In Darwin’s day, most biologists felt that they had a calling to describe God’s works. So people of all faith traditions may be drawn to biology, including those whose faith includes a literal interpretation of Genesis. Clearly, a substantial percentage of them are unwilling to accept the geological, chemical, and genetic evidence for an old earth.

Jason Wiles, a Syracuse University biology professor whose research focuses on teaching issues related to biological evolution, said he frequently runs into creationists training to be educators.

“It’s not only in the South, or in rural areas,” Wiles said.

Wiles recently held a workshop for 30 science teachers in the Syracuse city school system. Three of the teachers were actively interested in promoting intelligent design.

He suspects that the reason that so few cases make it to the public stage is that many parents aren’t always aware of what’s going on in the classroom. Also, children are often unaware that the teacher has crossed a Constitutional line.

“A lot of times students just don’t know what their rights are,” Wiles said.

Resolution Far Off

On that day in September, Jenifer Dennis had come to Gambier to meet one of the plaintiffs in the Dover case. I was giving a speech at Kenyon College that night about Dover’s battle. Cyndi Sneath, one of the parents from Dover, had ridden out with me from Harrisburg.

As they sat down at the table, Sneath and Dennis began to compare notes, sharing common experiences. Dennis plopped a large file on the table that details the case and starts flipping through pages. She asked Sneath if she had initially realized how demanding and time-consuming being a plaintiff in a First Amendment case would be. Sneath told her she honestly had no idea what to expect.

At first, Jenifer Dennis said she couldn’t tell if she was overreacting to her son’s arm. “I was thinking maybe I’m crazy,” she said. “I was thinking maybe it’s something they do? And it’s OK?”

Dennis and her husband are both Catholic. They are NASCAR fans who camp in an RV at races. Yet, they are being labeled as elitist and intolerant of religion. At one school board meeting in July, numerous parents and teachers spoke in defense of Freshwater and criticized the parents. One parent told the board, “As a Christian, I don’t accept the separation of church and state.”

During the district’s administrative hearing process, Freshwater successfully argued that Zachary’s name be released publicly. So the anonymous status in the family’s lawsuit has now become a moot point, and the recriminations that the family feared have begun with calls and letters.

But Dennis said she has also had friends and strangers come up to her and say that they’re glad they came forward. She said Zachary, who turned fifteen on Dec. 17, is handling the pressure.

But unlike in the Kitzmiller case, in which Sneath and 10 other parents sued the Dover school district, Jenifer Dennis still feels alone in her fight.

She is looking forward to a resolution in the case. When she started this battle a year ago, she never envisioned it would still be going on through another Christmas. “I just need some closure,” she said. But her lawsuit will no doubt drag on for much longer. The trial date is not until May 2010.

Tags: creationism, darwin, evolution, intelligent design

Lauri Lebo has been a journalist for twenty years. As part of an investigative reporting team, she helped solve two civil rights-era murders. As the York Daily Record’s education reporter, she covered intelligent design’s First Amendment battle. The winner of numerous state and national awards, she lives in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: creationism; education; evolution
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1 posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:19 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

“One parent told the board, “As a Christian, I don’t accept the separation of church and state.”

If Christian was changed to muslim how many would still support that parent?


2 posted on 01/07/2009 6:06:46 PM PST by DevNet (WhatÂ’s past is prologue)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
The spontaneous life people are all too eager to BELIEVE that in an old enough, infinite universe, life can just miraculously appear, and progress to ONLY this level of technology, and knowledge.

The spontaneous life people, will however NOT believe that in an old enough, infinite universe, that a hyper intelligent multidimensional being capable of creating an infinite universe could exist, and that this is the created universe of this G_dlike being.

Ya know whut? Maybe they are descended from monkeys. I wont disagree with them.

3 posted on 01/07/2009 6:09:29 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Proud non productive worker under directive 10-289)
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oh no, challenging the state enforced secular humanist religion of evolutionism....


4 posted on 01/07/2009 6:40:20 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Ok. Which DC retread are you?


5 posted on 01/07/2009 6:42:34 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

ping


6 posted on 01/07/2009 6:48:41 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

ping


7 posted on 01/07/2009 6:48:44 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: DevNet
"..If Christian was changed to muslim how many would still support that parent?

The "separation of church and state" is not to be found in our Constitution. The teachings of the Koran are not compatible with our Bill of Rights. But that is the subject of another discussion.

8 posted on 01/07/2009 6:55:17 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Teachers ought to be able to brand students according to their religious beliefs, shouldn’t they?


9 posted on 01/07/2009 6:58:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: labette

Exactly why did you bring up separation of church and state?


10 posted on 01/07/2009 6:59:50 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: labette

Please note that I wasn’t paying attention and thought this was in the mac book thread.


11 posted on 01/07/2009 7:00:52 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: labette

thank you....right on the mark....separation has been READ INTO the document, in order to continue the atheisitic desires of those who hate this country and what it stands for....


12 posted on 01/07/2009 7:00:52 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

Do you include scientists in the set of people that hate this country?


13 posted on 01/07/2009 7:03:42 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

“The trial date is not until May 2010”

Justice delayed is justice denied ...

Is this truly happening in the United States of America?


14 posted on 01/07/2009 7:09:15 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Character counts)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Seems to me Lauri Lebo would have applauded Judas and gushed over his brave actions.
As to crossing a constitutional line; there is no such thing. Our greater loss is that our schools, all founded by godly ministers, and signers of our constitution(check it out, as Yale, Harvard,Princton etc.)and I know of no Evolutionist that has founded a school, college or university; our schools have not taught:
“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged; and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)
So go ahead and destroy our educational system, you are making them the gateways to hell. When they are completely gone; maybe we can make a fresh start.


15 posted on 01/07/2009 7:09:28 PM PST by LetMarch
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To: DevNet; raygunfan
"Do you include scientists in the set of people that hate this country?"

I wouldn't. But I would include self-styled 'high keepers of the purity of science' who plagued this forum some years ago with a bunch of inane dribble.

Welcome to Free Republic, btw.

16 posted on 01/07/2009 7:10:43 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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bump


17 posted on 01/07/2009 7:16:22 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Wow, what a convoluted story.

So was the kid burned or not? And if so, and intentionally, did anyone get charged?


18 posted on 01/07/2009 7:18:05 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

So why did he burn the kid in the first place?


19 posted on 01/07/2009 7:19:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: DevNet
" Do you include scientists in the set of people that hate this country? "

Apologies for responding to a jab aimed at another FReeper, but I say yes...If your scientist believes that man is an accident of the cosmos. I have found that most men who believe this way also have trouble believing "that they are endowed by their Creator" with certain rights.

An atheist may indeed deny that God had a hand in the founding of our country. He cannot deny that the founders {and many of us today} believed in a Divine scheme.

20 posted on 01/07/2009 7:24:39 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

read later


21 posted on 01/07/2009 7:28:29 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: labette

Those who accept evolution are not necessarily atheists.

If they are, Pope Benedict is an atheist.


22 posted on 01/07/2009 7:39:05 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: labette

Very true, the words “separation of church and state” are not found in our constitution. And is it not ironic that the church is found in nearly every signer of the constitution. Almost every signer was a church member, and was a founder of the American Bible Society.
Dr. Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was one of the yougest signers of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. He held the first chemistry professorship in America. He published the first Americian chemistry textbook. He was apponinted by President John Adams as the Treasurer of the United States mint in 1797, which he held until 1813.
Dr. Rush wrote, “I believe no man was ever instructed in the truths of the Bible without having been made wiser or better by the early operations upon his mind.”
He also wrote “Why the Bible should be taught in our public schools.” And he also warned what the results would be if we neglected to teach the Holy Scriptures. He stated, “The sciences have been compared to a circle, of which religion composes a part. To understand any one of them perfectly, it is necessary to have some knowledge of them aa. Bacon, Boyle, and Newton included the Scriptures in the inquiries to which their universal geniuses disposed them, and their philosophy was aided by their knowledge in them.
My summation: “I believe the truth, both of science and the Bible are not in conflict, but in harmony. Truth science will never dimenish our faith, but will confirm it.”


23 posted on 01/07/2009 7:39:36 PM PST by LetMarch
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To: LetMarch

“our schools, all founded by godly ministers”

That might be true of a few colleges but the public school system was started by secular humanists like John Dewey.


24 posted on 01/07/2009 7:42:15 PM PST by webstersII
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To: DevNet

They always bring up what is not there!!


25 posted on 01/07/2009 7:47:22 PM PST by LetMarch ((If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward) Anonyous)
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To: Dog Gone

What another man believes is between him and God. Has the Pope renounced a literal reading of Genesis?

I can’t help but to reflect back...what little I have been quoted in the press has been woefully inaccurate.


26 posted on 01/07/2009 7:55:50 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: webstersII

As I understand it, John Dewey was only appointed to head up and change our puclic education, and he was responible for most of our problems today!
I know in most states the first schools were founded by ministers, as in Tennessee, it was founded by a Presbyterian Minister.
Most Universities and colleges are only copies and imitations on those originally founded.
The founders of Harvard believed that: “All knowledge without Christ was vain.”
The word Veritus, still on the college seal (of Harvard)
means divine truth. The motto of Harvard was offically: “For Christ and the Church.”
And, you should see Yale, and Princeton (the founders would be tarred and feathered if they were on campus today).


27 posted on 01/07/2009 7:59:38 PM PST by LetMarch ((If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward) Anonyous)
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To: labette

http://www.cathnews.com/news/704/52.php


28 posted on 01/07/2009 8:08:40 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

i figure that big bang is what happened when God clapped his hands and those seven days well lets just figure since God is eternal his measurement of one day is probably a bit different than ours. besides whoever wrote Genesis may not have be particularly good at math, y’never know.


29 posted on 01/07/2009 8:10:39 PM PST by madamemayhem (auntie em: hate you, hate kansas, took the dog. Dorothy)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
I have a doctorate in one of the **most** academically competitive health fields. My husband has a Ph.D. in biochemistry and a long and distinguished career inventing medical products.

In my profession, my biology class spent about 20 minutes on macro-evolution in my undergrad course. ZERO time in graduate school.

My husband had NO amount of time on macro-evolution as an undergrad, and NO amount of time on it in the graduate level.

Macro evolution is of importance to only **one** group of people: Scientist studying Macro evolution. The rest of the scientific world never has any reason to apply it to their work, and pays little attention to it.

So???.....There is only one reason to have sooooo much emphasis on macro-evolution in the government schools: To cause the students to doubt their faith and their parents. It also steals precious time away from learning the biology facts and techniques that they **do** need to succeed in life and in college later.

30 posted on 01/07/2009 8:16:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: madamemayhem

Moses penned Genesis on instructions from God.

And, yes, the Earth was created long before the events written of in Genesis as it and other parts (OT and NT) of His word would attest.

Young Earthers are good, but misguided, folks.


31 posted on 01/07/2009 8:18:18 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Dog Gone
I'm not Catholic, but respect my friends who are.

As for my “evolution” beliefs...I have no problem with the “dingo to dachshund” scenario. Atoms to Adam? I'll cough twice and pass.

32 posted on 01/07/2009 8:23:19 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: DevNet

As already pointed out, the separation of Church and State nonsense is today made out, mostly by libs, to be something completely different than what old Tom Jefferson meant when he made the famous “wall” comment in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association.


33 posted on 01/07/2009 8:26:11 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: DevNet

I don’t believe in teaching religious doctrines in science class either. But evolution is a hoax, not science.


34 posted on 01/07/2009 8:51:58 PM PST by alstewartfan
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To: Dog Gone
Teachers ought to be able to brand students according to their religious beliefs, shouldn’t they?

LOL. I think that's getting to the point of it.

35 posted on 01/07/2009 8:57:13 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: alstewartfan

Why do you feel that evolution is a hoax?


36 posted on 01/07/2009 9:06:36 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: wintertime
So???.....There is only one reason to have sooooo much emphasis on macro-evolution in the government schools: To cause the students to doubt their faith and their parents.

Exactly.

The loudest of the Free Republic hardcore evolutionists worship the Big Government Public Schools so much, because of that very issue, they love Big Centralized Government School indoctrination.

The entire focus of their life is to use Big Government School as a tool to destroy the morality and Christian faith of other people's children. The macro-evolution scam is one of their most sacred tools.

37 posted on 01/07/2009 9:09:45 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Old Landmarks

I have yet to see a scientists support “Big Government Public Schools”. Can you provide provide links to those posts so I can educate myself?


38 posted on 01/07/2009 9:12:08 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Dog Gone

Pope Benedict believes in evolution? How can that be?


39 posted on 01/07/2009 9:27:21 PM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter

Sorry, but I come down on the side of the parents. This is grotesque. No matter how much of a “champion of christianity” this Mr Freshwater is, he needs to pull in his claws.


40 posted on 01/08/2009 12:33:59 AM PST by dixjea
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To: Hanna548

Pope John Paul II believed in Evolution.

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

As does Pope Benedict

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447930/Pope-Benedict-believes-evolution.html


41 posted on 01/08/2009 12:39:16 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: LetMarch

Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christian fundamentalists.

The Bill of Rights does contain the Establishment clause and, even though the words “separation of CHurch and State” are not specifically there, the meaning is clear that the government cannot favor any religion. It’s part of the freedoms this great nation embraces and why many people first settled here.

Burning a cross onto a student’s arm is both child abuse and a blatant invocation of religion. We don’t need teachers branding kids with their religious symbols. THe guy needs to be fired and thrown in jail. The parents should get a good chunk of his assets. And just because some petty school board member wants government endorsement of religion does not make it right, not is it going to happen. She’ needs to leave office.


42 posted on 01/08/2009 5:36:35 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: labette

True Christians are smart enough to know a literal reading of the Bible is superficial and decidedly non-Christian. It belittles the greatness of God. The Catholic Church has learned that when physical reality and the Bible do not agree, it is the human interpretation of Scripture that needs to be re-examined.


43 posted on 01/08/2009 5:41:05 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
Creationism Makes Its Mark Stain.

(See my Tagline)

44 posted on 01/08/2009 5:43:34 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: LetMarch

“I know in most states the first schools were founded by ministers”

That was before compulsory education.

And Dewey was just on the forefront. He had lots of support from government, academia, and big business. They all thought it would be great to have a school system based on the Prussian model of indoctrination.

The schools were intended to produce good citizens who would be willing to go to work in the factories. The result would be prosperity and a utopian society for all to enjoy. Yes, they really did believe this.


45 posted on 01/08/2009 5:57:11 AM PST by webstersII
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To: wintertime

“Macro evolution is of importance to only **one** group of people: Scientist studying Macro evolution. The rest of the scientific world never has any reason to apply it to their work, and pays little attention to it.”

This is a fascinating comment. We have been told by many evos that evolution (not adaptation, I mean the TOE) is the foundation for all biological sciences and no one could do any research without understanding and accepting the TOE.

I am no scientist but it always seemed to me that as long as there was an understanding of adaptation then that was all that was necessary to do research. Adaptation is easily verified in real-time in the lab, as opposed to the TOE.


46 posted on 01/08/2009 6:04:01 AM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII
We have been told by many evos that evolution (not adaptation, I mean the TOE) is the foundation for all biological sciences and no one could do any research without understanding and accepting the TOE.
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My youngest child took college level biology for science majors when she was only 14. Her professor didn't think she could pass the course, since she had been homeschooled and had never studied high school biology.

Every night, my daughter and I read her college biology text aloud. ( **every** assigned page and more). In a book that was possibly 3 inches thick only 4 or 5 pages was devoted to macro-evolution.

So...You see even in **biology** macro-evolution is barely discussed. This was the book and course that biology and pre-med majors taking.

My daughter and I read the text together so that I could define the terminology and explain the concepts. Her father reviewed all her class notes, corrected the spelling, and explained the chemistry.

47 posted on 01/08/2009 7:26:24 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

What’s “macro-evolution”?


48 posted on 01/08/2009 7:26:31 AM PST by atlaw
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Macro-evolution is the theory that primordial slime eventually led to all the variety of life that we see today. For instance: a fish crawling out of the mud and it's descendants becoming a mammal.

On the micro-level there is plenty of evolution and this really is important. Examples would be a disease germ developing a resistance to an anti-biotic. Breeding fatter cattle.

49 posted on 01/08/2009 7:36:36 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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So what mechanism calls a halt to “micro-evolution” and prevents it from becoming “macro-evolution”?


50 posted on 01/08/2009 7:41:46 AM PST by atlaw
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