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Downy dinosaur found in China was an early bird
The Times ^ | 1/13/2008 | Lewis Smith

Posted on 01/12/2009 6:55:59 PM PST by bruinbirdman

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To: SunkenCiv

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21 posted on 01/12/2009 8:38:35 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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Scientist Says Ostrich Study Confirms Bird “Hands” Unlike Those Of Dinosaurs
Science Daily Magazine | Posted 8/15/2002 | U of N Carolina at Chapel Hill
Posted on 10/24/2002 1:32:37 PM PDT by vannrox
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New flying dinosaur species found by British scientists
The Telegraph | 12/3/2008 | Richard Alleyne
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Polar Dinosaurs Endured Cold Dark Winters
Live Science | Dec. 4, 2008 | Robin Lloyd
Posted on 12/04/2008 4:30:38 PM PST by decimon
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Experts: Shandong dinosaur fossil field “world’s largest”
Xinhua | 2008-12-29
Posted on 12/30/2008 2:17:27 PM PST by CE2949BB
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22 posted on 01/12/2009 8:46:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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23 posted on 01/12/2009 8:47:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
CASSOWARY

Nice, colourful, sweet little birdie, the cassowary!

24 posted on 01/12/2009 9:30:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Mr. Right Now
That’s speculation.

The fossil record shows evidence tht (a) dinos died out about 65 MYA; and (b) some species of dinos gradually evolved into protobirds before this extinction occurred.

25 posted on 01/12/2009 9:42:41 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Citizen Blade

How come the birds didn’t go extinct? It’s all speculation with no hard evidence. Which species of dino evolved into birds?
Where are the in between species? Species just jump in and out of the fossil records. Evolution happens very fast and not randomly. There’s a great sacred intelligent conscious force that prevades all of existence.
The American Indians called it the great mystery.
That sounds about to me!


26 posted on 01/12/2009 9:56:01 PM PST by Mr. Right Now
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To: Mr. Right Now
That’s speculation.

It follows the scientific evidence we currently have.

Have you a more likely explanation for all of this evidence?

27 posted on 01/12/2009 9:57:13 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

First I question how much evidence there really is.
I think the problem is with the word explanation.
To explain something is to reduce it to a series of words.
No group of words can describe something as amazing as the natural world. It’s way to complex and beyond the limit language.
All theories fail. Darwinism, creationism, intelligent design or whatever else someone will hypothesize. Things just appear for no reason.
I call it the allowable mystery.


28 posted on 01/12/2009 10:15:03 PM PST by Mr. Right Now
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To: allmendream

so where does all that fit into evolution? As I stated it seems to be very risky for a life form that depends on mutations to evolve and to have a the same mutation in a opposite sex to carry that mutation on into future generations, seems to be very risky unless there was an intelligent designer to begin with of that life form.


29 posted on 01/13/2009 2:59:30 AM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Where does it fit into evolution? Everywhere.

The same mutation? Who says the same mutation has to happen more than once?

For example, both northern Europeans and some cattle herding African populations have mutations in a region that would shut down the lactase gene after being weaned off breast milk. Both populations have different mutations of the same section. Thus the most likely explanation is that all people who share that exact mutation within a population are descendants of a single individual with that mutation.

Risky? Evolution is going with the flow. There is no risk involved. What is “risky” would be an attempt for a population to remain exactly the same in the face of a changing environment. Not only “risky” but a mathematical impossibility. There IS differential reproductive success based upon genetic variation.

30 posted on 01/13/2009 5:35:23 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: Mr. Right Now
Give me a break. Feathers are for one thing, flying.
31 posted on 01/13/2009 5:38:01 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: Mr. Right Now
How come the birds didn’t go extinct?

Most of the species that survived were fairly small critters who were better-suited to live through the post-catastrophe conditions. Most of the big species died out because food became much more scarce after the big rock hit the Yucatan.

Which species of dino evolved into birds?

Some of the species that belonged to the two-legged variety, such as the small raptors.

Where are the in between species?

Here's one: Archaeopteryx

Species just jump in and out of the fossil records.

Species arise, exist for a while and die out. That's not terribly controversial. The average dinosaur species only existed for about 2 million years.

Evolution happens very fast and not randomly.

Sometimes evolution happens quickly, but other times species find an environmental niche and don't change much for many millions of years. Witness horeshoe crabs or sharks, for example.

There’s a great sacred intelligent conscious force that prevades all of existence.

Science isn't capable of dealing with such a metaphysical concept, nor does it try to.

32 posted on 01/13/2009 7:44:52 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: bruinbirdman

The early bird may get the worm, but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese.


33 posted on 01/13/2009 7:47:21 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: bruinbirdman
"A dinosaur that would have been covered with feathers has been discovered in China, adding to evidence that supports the theory that birds evolved from ancient reptiles. It is thought that the plant-eating dinosaur would have used the feathers to attract a mate."

"Two types of feather were found on the animal’s remains, and one that would have been used to signal to other creatures is the most primitive form yet seen in a dinosaur."

Funny how the "would have been" construction is used for reporting supposed certainty as well as clear speculation.

How come science reporters don't evolve?

34 posted on 01/13/2009 7:57:10 AM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: dfwgator
"but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese."

Evolution!

yitbos

35 posted on 01/13/2009 10:20:41 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: allmendream
Like I said it seems risky to have a two sex system to produce a offspring. The more suitable type would be that each organism be it human, monkey, fish, or bird would be able to create within it's self to have an offspring. The two sex is not very effective in that manner that is why we have seen so many life forms go extinct.
36 posted on 01/13/2009 4:59:42 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Just like I said. The part of the quote you omitted:

“I’m waiting for both”.


Ha! And I was correct!


37 posted on 01/13/2009 5:48:01 PM PST by CommieCutter (Blaming guns is like blaming the car for actions of the drunk driver.)
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To: Coyoteman

It follows the scientific evidence we currently have.


Oh, you mean the same geological record that shows the earth warms and cools on it’s own (which is ignored) as the basis for evolution?

Yeah I have a better one it’s called DNA.

“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” — Charles Darwin.


38 posted on 01/13/2009 5:56:15 PM PST by CommieCutter (Blaming guns is like blaming the car for actions of the drunk driver.)
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To: Citizen Blade

Where are the in between species?

Here’s one: Archaeopteryx


That’s funny, so what was it BEFORE and WHAT did it become AFTER? And I mean: what EXACT Dinosaur was it, and what EXACT bird did it become?

That’s like saying the plesiosaur was the missing link between the dolphin and the snake.

Archaeopteryx was just a bird that’s now extinct.

Why are monkeys still here? And why aren’t some of them trying to evolve?


39 posted on 01/13/2009 6:08:13 PM PST by CommieCutter (Blaming guns is like blaming the car for actions of the drunk driver.)
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To: Coyoteman
"It follows the scientific evidence facts we currently have."

There is not enough facts to put together to call it evidence. It's lots of assumptions and filling in the blanks.

40 posted on 01/13/2009 6:21:30 PM PST by webstersII
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