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‘Have The Citizens of Juarez and El Paso Finally Had Enough?‘
California Chronicle ^ | Jan. 17, 2009 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 01/18/2009 7:19:20 AM PST by AuntB

Fed up with the crushing violence which has transformed the city of Juarez into a free-fire zone, a group of residents calling themselves the Juárez Citizens Command, has sent out a press release vowing to kill one criminal every day, until order is restored. The CCJ claims to be a group of businessmen, frustrated over the seeming inability of the authorities to curb the spiraling violence in Juarez.

The statement from the CCJ was distributed in Spanish on the internet on Jan. 15. The following is an excerpt from that statement:

“Better the death of a bad person, than that bad person continue contaminating our region.”

“Our mission is to finish each 24 hours with the life of a criminal. The hour has come to stop this disorder in Juárez.“

The CCJ said they would soon release a full manifesto detailing their stated goals.

During 2008, there were more than 1,600 murders in Juarez. In addition to the murders being fueled by an ongoing war between the Juarez and Sinoloa Cartels, thousands of kidnappings occurred in and around Juarez last year. Also, bank robberies and carjackings have now become an everyday occurrence in the city. In short, chaos reigns.

Recently, Mexican President Felipe Calderon ordered an additional 2,000 troops into Juarez to battle the cartels. However, more than 35, 000 federal troops are currently deployed throughout Mexico, battling the cartels, with poor results.

A few days before Christmas, the bodies of eight Mexican soldiers were found about 50 miles from Acapulco. All of the men had been decapitated. Several Mexican newspapers reported the contents of a note beside the severed heads which read: “For every one of ours you kill, we will kill 10 of yours.“

More than 5,600 people were killed in Mexico’s drug violence last year. Many of those murdered were police officers and soldiers.

Since Jan. 1, 2009, there have been more than 40 murders in Juarez. A brief sampling of those murders follows:

Jan. 5…The lifeless body of Jose Ivan Vasquez Lopez, was discovered inside a trash can. Lopez had been beheaded.

Jan. 7…The body of Ricardo Arturo Alvarado Contreras, was found lying in a vacant lot. His hands had been hacked from his arms.

Jan. 6…Prominent attorney Mario Escobedo Salazar, was found shot to death inside his office. The bullet-riddled body of his son Edgar Escobedo Anaya, was found outside the office, police discovered 14 spent shells near the body.

Jan. 13…Guillermo Pizarro Marceleño was shot to death as he sat eating inside El Trebol restaurant.

Jan. 14…A 19-year-old student at the University of Ciudad Juárez, was shot to death with an AK-47, on the side of the road. Jaime Alejandro Irigoyen Flores, had been kidnapped from his home two days earlier.

On Jan. 16, the El Paso Times offered a very interesting opinion poll on their website. The poll asked the question “With violence raging in Juarez, is vigilantism the answer?” What follows are the results of that poll after a total of 2,547 respondents:

“Yes, nothing else has worked, and it’s time for the people to take matters into their own hands.”…59%

“I’m not sure, but at this point, it’s probably worth a try.”…29%

“No, innocent people could get hurt.”…16%

While the results may be a bit shocking to some, it speaks to the fear and frustration that people are feeling with so much violence taking place just on the other side of the border. Many Juarez residents, including a great number of police officers have come to El Paso, seeking refuge from the cartels.

Whether or not the Juárez Citizens Command will actually emerge as an actual force to confront the cartels, remains to be seen. However, the interest shown in their announcement and the positive way in which many already view them, is another sign that the government of Mexico is dangerously close to losing all control of that country.

The drug cartels which now control large portions of Mexico and operate in nearly 200 U.S. cities, represent a clear and present danger to every citizen of both countries. None of us can afford to ignore this issue any longer.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; crime; elpaso; immigrantlist; immigration; juarez; mexico; texas; warnextdoor
"On Jan. 16, the El Paso Times offered a very interesting opinion poll on their website. The poll asked the question “With violence raging in Juarez, is vigilantism the answer?” What follows are the results of that poll after a total of 2,547 respondents:

“Yes, nothing else has worked, and it’s time for the people to take matters into their own hands.”…59%"

1 posted on 01/18/2009 7:19:20 AM PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB

The direct result of the WOD. I hope the Pharisees are happy.


2 posted on 01/18/2009 7:22:07 AM PST by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: gubamyster; SwinneySwitch; FITZ; rabscuttle385; SandRat; Travis McGee; All

“While the results may be a bit shocking to some, it speaks to the fear and frustration that people are feeling with so much violence taking place just on the other side of the border. Many Juarez residents, including a great number of police officers have come to El Paso, seeking refuge from the cartels.”


3 posted on 01/18/2009 7:23:02 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: AuntB

What a sad situation - Mexico is an absolute mess. Unfortunately, the leaky borders mean we are inheriting that mess.


4 posted on 01/18/2009 7:23:09 AM PST by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: Seruzawa

“The direct result of the WOD. I hope the Pharisees are happy.”

AND not securing the borders. I hope LaRaza and McCAin are happy.


5 posted on 01/18/2009 7:24:53 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: AuntB

Why just one?


6 posted on 01/18/2009 7:25:16 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: AuntB

well heck! i like the way they think.


7 posted on 01/18/2009 7:28:44 AM PST by devane617 (...And to the Republic For Which It Stood...)
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To: AuntB
The drug cartels which now control large portions of Mexico and operate in nearly 200 U.S. cities, represent a clear and present danger to every citizen of both countries. None of us can afford to ignore this issue any longer.

It's about time for President Bush to leave us with a parting reminder to be compassionate and decent to these people and remember that family values don't stop at the Rio Grande.

8 posted on 01/18/2009 7:30:14 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Seruzawa

...Bravo...

...a fookin’ war for every occasion...


9 posted on 01/18/2009 7:32:26 AM PST by gargoyle (...Don't bring shotguns to UFO landings, let the aliens land, they might be here to pick me up...)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
It's is OK. 0 has already started posturing to make Mexico part of the US - then it will all be under control.
10 posted on 01/18/2009 7:33:37 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: AuntB
Action speaks louder than words. It would take more than one a day!!!
11 posted on 01/18/2009 7:34:49 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: AuntB

OMG, not Vigilantes. Along the border no less.


12 posted on 01/18/2009 7:35:06 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: AuntB

Truly W’s fault.


13 posted on 01/18/2009 7:36:42 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: AuntB

Good start, but what they need is a “Los Pepes” like the one that emerged in Colombia and resulted in the takedown of Pablo Escobar. Of course, the situation in Mexico is a little different, in that there are the several cartels plus the Zetas vying for turf. But the principle would apply.


14 posted on 01/18/2009 7:39:52 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: Seruzawa

If there was no demand there would be no need for a supply. The people using illegal drugs are getting a big dose of the law of unintended consequences. As long as people use illegal drugs there will be ruthless people willing to supply them. The same goes for whiskey, cheese burgers and tobacco. If there wasn’t a market there will be no need to produce the product. The difference is legality of the products but there are people that kill for alcohol, food, tobacco and sneakers too. It’s just pretty rare.


15 posted on 01/18/2009 7:40:19 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: hinckley buzzard
...remember that family values don't stop at the Rio Grande.

It is also important to remember that our sovereignty and border does stop at the Rio Grande.

16 posted on 01/18/2009 7:43:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: AuntB

If done properly it will work, and quickly.

The dispatched bad guy needs to be left in the public square so they can be seen in the morning. Do this day after day and you can bet the bad guys, who all know who they are, will leave town pronto. The stress of knowing it is only a matter of time before you are killed is excruciating, especially when it can be relieved by simply getting out of town.


17 posted on 01/18/2009 7:43:56 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: AuntB
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Vigilantism happens when government is unable or unwilling to protect the public from criminals. At first, it seeks to force government to enforce the law, but this seldom works. Then, the government sees the vigilantes as being a greater threat (to it), than the criminals, and so drives the vigilantes underground.

Even then, the emphasis is still on just driving the criminals out. Only when the criminals go on a rampage, do the vigilantes rise up and start butchering the criminals. And this is about the stage Juarez is at right now.

This is very different from many of the criminal lynchings in the American South of the early 20th Century, which often represented angry retaliation against criminals who were under arrest and due to be severely punished, in that it was acts of public revenge and viciousness, rooted more in boredom than justice.

But the bottom line about vigilantism is that vigilantism *works*. It does force government to act against the criminals, and it both drives out criminals and kills other criminals. As such, it is not revolutionary, but acting to sustain order and civility in the face of disorder and crime, in the face of government incompetence and failure.

18 posted on 01/18/2009 7:45:43 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: 101voodoo

Unfortunately it will turn into leaving long un appropriated scores settled. Business interests, love interests, just plain old fashioned animosity.

Nothing good will come of it, it will be like Iraq.


19 posted on 01/18/2009 7:48:43 AM PST by DariusBane (I've got a bracelet too :))
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To: 101voodoo

It worked in Skidmore.


20 posted on 01/18/2009 7:50:03 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: AuntB

Juarez Citzens Command = CCJ
I guess that’s like the NCAAP ?


21 posted on 01/18/2009 7:55:04 AM PST by Fireone (Get the U.S. out of the U.N., and the U.N. out of the U.S.)
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To: AuntB

The poll asked the question “With violence raging in Juarez, is vigilantism the answer?” What follows are the results of that poll after a total of 2,547 respondents:

“Yes, nothing else has worked, and it’s time for the people to take matters into their own hands.”…59%

“I’m not sure, but at this point, it’s probably worth a try.”…29%

“No, innocent people could get hurt.”…16%

I find the math shocking 59+29+16=104%


22 posted on 01/18/2009 7:55:33 AM PST by G Larry (Barack's character has been molded by extremists)
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To: Seruzawa
The direct result of the WOD. I hope the Pharisees are happy History is replete with examples of men seeking power and money without drugs having any connections. Drugs are merely an accessory not the cause. Mexico was corrupt and full of bandits long before the WOD.
23 posted on 01/18/2009 7:55:43 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: AuntB

As a libertarian, I believe in the legalization of pot. It’s no different than legalizing alcohol. During the prohibition, there were “speakeasy’s”, “bathtub gin” and “stills” throughout America. Guys like Joe Kennedy made fortunes and financed his son(s) rise in politics. He could have been put out of business (or never had a business) if there were no prohibition. Imagine America without the Kennedy Cartel! Imagine what kind of vile political scum can/will come of illegal pot and the billions it generates to it’s cartel!


24 posted on 01/18/2009 7:56:09 AM PST by albie
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To: tacticalogic

“It worked in Skidmore.”

Indeed it did.


25 posted on 01/18/2009 7:57:59 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Paladin2; AuntB

Oh yes, past time. I grew up on the Texas border, don’t think there haven’t been lots of shots being fired across that river already. Not to mention rancher friends protecting themselves and their families on our own ground.

When the government does not do its duty, the people must take action or be slaughtered. Do you think I’m going to sit around on my hands while roving bands of Mexican outlaws do their will ON OUR GROUND??

I believe it was AuntB that posted some graphic pix of the results of what’s going on, that should rattle some of your cages a bit.


26 posted on 01/18/2009 7:59:49 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: AuntB

While stationed at Ft. Bliss (’68), we’d go across the border for a drink. A little bar called the Kentucky Club, no less.

We also took in a show in Paso at a theater near the border. Between movies, there was a pipe organ that came up from under the stage and filled the air with beautiful music.

Guess those days are long gone, just like the rest of this country.


27 posted on 01/18/2009 8:00:50 AM PST by wizr (Blessed Jesus, bluegrass gospel & dear friends)
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To: AuntB

Juan McCain has a solution. Just bring all of the Mexican thugs to the US. Support them, pay for their health care, give them free housing and ask them to please, please, please be nice!


28 posted on 01/18/2009 8:04:11 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Seruzawa
The direct result of the WOD. I hope the Pharisees are happy

Yep, legalize drugs and tax them. Criminals would at least be poor. Wonder what drug dealers would turn to?

29 posted on 01/18/2009 8:04:28 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Clintons Are White Trash

Time for the old West to rise again. Throw out the liberal governing bodies and start civilizing the place. That is the only way we can bring law and order to the lawless.


30 posted on 01/18/2009 8:05:08 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Clintons Are White Trash

“Mexico is an absolute mess. Unfortunately, the leaky borders mean we are inheriting that mess.”

....yep, and it’s gonna get worse....remember the “boat people” of the 70s?....get ready for the “foot people” from Mexico...there be so many that they’ll have to be turned back at gunpoint and they’ll resist at gunpoint....call out the National Guard and suppose the Hispanic members go over or go home?....Mexico’s collapse means another milestone on the road to the coming race war in America.


31 posted on 01/18/2009 8:05:45 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: MrPiper
Wonder what drug dealers would turn to?

Probably politics, you know legalized looting and plundering

32 posted on 01/18/2009 8:07:29 AM PST by Popman (Luca Brasi sleeps with da sea kittens...)
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To: AuntB
a group of residents calling themselves the Juárez Citizens Command, has sent out a press release vowing to kill one criminal every day, until order is restored.

Has the United Nations demanded a ceasefire yet?

But seriously, folks, the disorder at the Border does mean it will be really hard for Presidente Zero and Congress to push for open-border amnesty anytime soon. Let in more feuding drug gangs? There will be so many calls and faxes to Congress, no one in D.C. will be able to order pizza.

33 posted on 01/18/2009 8:37:11 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: MrPiper

Wonder what drug dealers would turn to?

black market untaxed drugs.


34 posted on 01/18/2009 8:43:23 AM PST by proud okie
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To: DariusBane

I think its a good idea. And if you study Mexican history,,,it’s not THAT different than the situation in the pre-revolution days 100 years ago.

Mexico has had a long history of fed-up abused people finally rising up violently. Its not widely realized, but the Mexican revolution is one of the Bloodiest as a percentage of population in all modern history.

The Mexican government needs to sit up and take notice, or risk being the next Carranza.


35 posted on 01/18/2009 8:58:03 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: wizr

Ay Chihuahua! and I can tell you,, admiration of Pancho Villa is very alive and well there. And the essense of Villa is someone who fights back. Don’t lecture me on whether you think Villa was a common criminal or a Mexican Robin Hood. Im referring to how *they* see him.

The stories are apocryphal. Such as, “Villa never became personally enriched though he easily could have”.

“Villa started by first killing a man raping his younger sister”

“Rich man got poor girl pregnant, Villa found him, forced him to marry her under threat of death,,,and promised to check back every year to be sure she was well treated.”

On and on,,, the narco-trafficantes were tolerated and even idolized when the regular people were left alone. But these guys will be dealt with very soon, because they’ve crossed the line and terrorized the normal “joes” down there. Pablo Escobar at least had sense enough to build hospitals, schools, sponsor soccer teams,, etc,,, hearts and minds,, so he had a lot of people who were on his side later while being hunted. The Mexican gangs have screwed theirselves. Its far from over,, but they are about to get hit hard.

This vigilante movement might be very real,, and it might spread. This is def going to be interesting, and Americans in the southwest really should buy a pistol if they are some kind of oddball, and don’t already have one.

Oddly, i think Obama (i shudder to think what the Mexican nickname for him will be) will be pretty rough on them. Leftists are fairly quick to resort to force to prove how they aren’t wusses.

This is just the opinion of one set of headlights on a busy city freeway.


36 posted on 01/18/2009 9:16:55 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: MrPiper
"Wonder what drug dealers would turn to?" Robberies, break-ins, hold-ups, bank robberies, looting. You can't take the scumbag out of a scumbag.
37 posted on 01/18/2009 9:18:26 AM PST by BobS
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To: AuntB

Hope Blackwater has an auxiliary office there to help?


38 posted on 01/18/2009 9:58:56 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (TBD)
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To: wizr
I grew up in El Paso and went to college at then Texas Western.

You saw the movie at the Plaza Theater which has the mighty Wurlitzer. Remember the starry roof?

Before they rechanneled the river you could park and walk across, paying 1 cent to go over and 2 cents to come back.

I spent many afternoons at the Kentucky Club (on the left as you go over). We also spent many evenings getting hammered at the Lobby.

In 1960 a shot of tequila was a nickel. You could take a date for dinner and drinks with rum and cokes at 35 cents and a great steak for $1.85.

You could buy a skull ring or a leather wallet at one of the many street stands and even what we called "hot books".

An afternoon spent down at Pig Alley watching porn flicks like Candy Barr and the Vacuum Cleaner Salesman.

Ahh, the good old day.

39 posted on 01/18/2009 10:08:05 AM PST by george123
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To: AuntB
Mexico is close to becoming a failed country on our border. That will not be allowed. Our military has to go in and straighten things out. Iraq is basically over. All that heavy stuff has to be put on freighters. Ship it to Galveston. A lot of Mexicans will join our military. After learning how to read, write and speak English. Then they will fly around here to various military tech schools.

More guys will get married down there than in Iraq. Same civilization you know.

Did you know that car sales are going through the roof in Iraq? Ford should build a plant there. No unions!

40 posted on 01/18/2009 10:10:05 AM PST by BobS
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To: BobS; All

Another article...the media is finally noticing.

Mexican collapse? Drug wars worry some Americans
The Associated Press - 2 hours ago

[snip]
This isn’t Iraq or Pakistan. It’s Mexico, which the U.S. government and a growing number of experts say is becoming one of the world’s biggest security risks.

The prospect that America’s southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to Barack Obama’s new government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command lumps Mexico and Pakistan together as being at risk of a “rapid and sudden collapse.”

“The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels,” the command said in the report published Nov. 25.

“How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state.”

Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden told reporters on Friday that that Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Obama — perhaps a greater problem than Iraq.

The U.S. Justice Department said last month that Mexican gangs are the “biggest organized crime threat to the United States.” National security adviser Stephen Hadley said last week that the worsening violence threatens Mexico’s very democracy.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hnEcOtMKATcx-2rPitt66wCB9MwQD95PLC400


41 posted on 01/18/2009 10:24:53 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: george123
35 years ago or so I needed a tooth pulled out. So dad was planning a trip to TJ to buy stuff anyway. 250 miles away. They had great dentists. I got stoned, the tooth was gone, and got more things to get stoned on. CHEAP!

AmAIRicans.

Dad wanted to buy ONE thing. Mom ended up buying TEN things.

42 posted on 01/18/2009 10:45:40 AM PST by BobS
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

So? Illegal drug distribution is an easy path to wealth. The LE community is neck deep in drug corruption. Far easier than other forms of criminal behavior. Without this easywealth there would be bo inrenational drug cartels.

The WOD is a fraud. There is no drug war as such. Only war on independent importers. After all the customers are happy to give the money away. The only reason some drugs are illegal is because they are easy to make and the AMA and Pharmaceutical companies can’t hold their monopoly. I’m sick of seeing society ripped apart so the medical monopoly can continue it’s profiteering and the bureaucracies we’ve created to stem the tide of drugs (and have failed utterly) can keep expanding.


43 posted on 01/18/2009 10:51:31 AM PST by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: AuntB

When the US military notices a failing country, you know the OSI, CIA are already there to monitor things. The NSA has a list of bad people already. If it goes to hell, AC-130s are going to have to burn down everything a mile or two into Mexico with white phosphorous. Nothing survives that. Then the heavy equipment rolls in within 48 hours loaded and trained in Iraq. It’s easier Than Iraq was a few years ago. The males cabrones will be scared because OUR military has experience now in cities.


44 posted on 01/18/2009 11:29:15 AM PST by BobS
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To: BobS

BobS, I don’t think there is a politician left in DC with the will to protect that border militarily, or in any manner. They’ll let the entire population, along with the countries south of Mexico come here before they’ll stop it.
And as Mexico continues to implode, the people will be here.

A letter to the editor you might appreciate.

Fair’s fair

Public Forum Letter
Updated: 01/15/2009 05:01:24 PM MST

Mexico President Felipe Calderon wants to talk to President-elect Barack Obama about better treatment of Mexicans in the United States illegally. He should change his laws to accommodate U.S. citizens before he asks the same of our country.

For four years I lived in Mazatlan and Senaloa, Mexico. My visa was good for only 180 days, and then I had to leave the country. I was told I would go to jail if I didn’t leave for 72 hours. I also had to have working papers on me or face jail and deportation.

In Mexico, no foreign citizen can hold any paying job if there is a Mexican citizen who could do the job. You have to be a citizen to own property. You can purchase property on a fee-simple, 30-year lease, but you cannot own property outright, and to own a business, you have to have a Mexican citizen as a partner.

Get caught in Mexico with a firearm or even a bullet and you will never get out of jail. Everywhere I went I was told, “If you’re going to live in Mexico, learn to speak Spanish.”

Fair is fair.

Bill Beveridge

Salt Lake City
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_11463827


45 posted on 01/18/2009 11:32:46 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: wizr; george123
"We also took in a show in Paso at a theater near the border. Between movies, there was a pipe organ that came up from under the stage and filled the air with beautiful music."

That sure brings memories. I was born in at Beaumont Hospital in 1951 and lived in El Paso until I went into the service in 1971. As a child I used to ride the bus from Eastwood Knolls to Downtown to watch movies, and I remember the Wurlitzer organ at the Plaza theater. I still have family there, but I seldom go back. It is by no means the town I left.

46 posted on 01/18/2009 12:31:05 PM PST by VR-21
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To: Seruzawa

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47 posted on 01/18/2009 7:15:54 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: BobS
Wonder what drug dealers would turn to?" Robberies, break-ins, hold-ups, bank robberies, looting. You can't take the scumbag out of a scumbag.

target rich environment. Would rid the world of this scum.

48 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:21 AM PST by MrPiper
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