'Why won't you release your birth certificate?'

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHANGING OF THE GUARD 'Why won't you release your birth certificate?' New forum allows you to ask President Obama your question

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: January 20, 2009 9:06 pm Eastern

The newest forum at WND has been launched to allow you to ask President Barack Obama the important questions reporters at news conferences never seem to ask.

And the first question submitted concerns an issue that has been the subject of multiple lawsuits and U.S. Supreme Court conferences over recent weeks.

"Now, that you have take[n] the oath of president of the United States, where you promise to uphold the laws of the Constitution, why won't you release your Birth Certificate, not a certificate of live birth, your passport or your records from the schools and colleges you attended, to prove once and for all that you are a natural born citizen and qualified to have taken the oath?"

The question was submitted only hours before Obama took the oath of office from Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts to become the 44th president of the United States.

The forum is the only place on the Internet where readers can submit questions that could be posed in daily White House news briefings. ....

Just to be clear, all the letters have a white fringe around them. Are you saying that the fringe can't account for the lack of green pixels, or are you saying that the fringe itself is proof of forgery?

Not the "White fringe," which is called, "ringing," and is a normal compression artifact, but the lack of green pixels in the spaces between the letters, something that is not the result of any normally-occurring artifact. It is, however, the result of adding a separate text layer. If you look at a real 2007 COLB, you will see that the header text and the data text are the same raster front, only sized differently. The problem was that the text used for the forgery did not match the text used in a real 2007 COLB, and that's why both the headers and data had to be retyped using the graphic program's native font -- but on different layers -- once the data text was entered, the underlying, semi-transparent layer containing text from another COLB (and used as a placement guide for entering new data text) had to be deleted before all layers were merged (flattened) into the final JPG image.

OK, thanks for the clarification.

Why isn’t the fringe, or “ringing”, enough itself to account for the lack of green? It happens around every letter, and when you have two letters close together it can take up most, or all, of the space between them.

Also, what about all the words where there is green between the letters? If they were forged the same way, why the difference?

Now you know why I said, "No questions" after I submitted my report.

You'll find everything you need to know in my report. If there is more you need to know about layers and/or Photoshop, I'm sure you can find some tutorials.

I will say one final thing, though, to clarify what I said (and I am serious about this being the final one). "Ringing" are like ripples in a pond that emanate outwards, from the edge of the object you tossed into it, along its contours.

Text is a special type of object as each letter made up of a rectangular block of pixels. Take, for example, the letter "S" of which two are adjacent to each other in the name, "Hussein." The pixels along the contours of each "S," would be affected by ringing as expected.

What you would not expect is for all of the pixels in between both "S's" to be affected because most of these are at various angles to the contours of the letters. Even in the most compressed JPG you could make, you would still see green pixels (actually more of them as the color gets repeated or "smeared" across pixels).

"Now you know why I said, "No questions" after I submitted my report."

Not really, no. I don't know why you said that. I can only assume one of two things. You either felt your opinions were beyond questioning or, you wanted to premptively set the stage for ignoring objections. Neither seems like a good reason.

In fact the questions I asked are logical questions based on what you said in the report, and are not answered there. That's why I asked.

"Even in the most compressed JPG you could make, you would still see green pixels (actually more of them as the color gets repeated or "smeared" across pixels)."

What is clear from examining all the letters is that there is a white fringe around every letter, and it obscures the color of any pixel that might have been there, even if it were orginally green.

What is also clear is that the background pattern is alternately green and white, and that you would only expect to see green pixels where the background should be green, not where it should be white.

If you take those two things into account, there are places where green pixels should not be expected between letters. So simple absence of green pixels isn't enough. There has to be an absence where it can be demonstrated they should be there. I don't see that in the report at all.

You do understand don't you, that the reason the State of Hawaii uses the green cross thatched style paper is so that it will show up funny whenever someone attempts to create a forgery on it?

The same sort of Pixel distortions were discovered in various photo shopped pictures of Beirut, where columns of smoke were intentionally added to the press pictures to create the illusion of an intense attack on a certain area where the green helmet guy took several different pictures of the now infamous bomb magnet woman

Only when they show up on Obama's COLB they are not signs of tampering via photoshop they are artifacts of some sort on paper designed to prevent forgeries.

You do understand don't you, that the reason the State of Hawaii uses the green cross thatched style paper is so that it will show up funny whenever someone attempts to create a forgery on it?

No. It's just green patterned paper. All they do is run it through a laser printer or, back in the day (this same type of paper has been common for such documents for over 50 years), type on it with a typewriter. The paper doesn't know what laser printer or typewriter is printing on it.

The "security feature" of the green patterned paper is simply that the green ink comes off rather easily, such as with an eraser. This was to prevent someone from just erasing the original typed information and typing in something else without it being made obvious.

And of course all of this is irrelevant when you're talking about digital, scanned images of the paper. This paper was used long before personal computers and digital graphics. If you digitally add text to a scanned image of it, you don't get anything funny looking like is being described here.

The same sort of Pixel distortions were discovered in various photo shopped pictures of Beirut, where columns of smoke were intentionally added to the press pictures to create the illusion of an intense attack on a certain area where the green helmet guy took several different pictures of the now infamous bomb magnet woman

Yeah, if you lasso a portion of an image, copy it, and paste it into another portion of the image, and you're not really trying hard to conceal it, you can end up with irregularities on the peripheral edges of the portion you pasted. But in this case we're talking about text. And again, digitally adding text to a scanned image of such a document will not produce any sort of oddities.

Only when they show up on Obama's COLB they are not signs of tampering via photoshop they are artifacts of some sort on paper designed to prevent forgeries.

Only in cases where the forgery involved an eraser.

Again, this same green patterned paper has been in use for over 50 years. I've seen it used on documents dated in the 1940s. And someone posted a Hawaiian birth certificate from 1963 which used the same green patterned paper. The green patterns were certainly not designed with modern computers, scanners and digital graphics software in mind.

I never said it was used to defeat today’s graphic programs, only that it was used to prevent forgery.

That it still works, to defeat most amateur attempts is enough.

Obama’s forged CoLB was an amateur attempt. I could have done better because I have worked at the individual pixel level and would have mixed in green to hide the halos around the letters.

By the way, all the Obama apologiests have yet to prove how a document done in shades of green and black on a laser printer turns white around the letters.

I have a simple reason for why it happens, the letters are on a separate second layer via a photoshop program, but only the letters show on the COLB, the white background on the second layer does not, until the layers are merged and you get the halo effect from the splicing of the two different layers.

Of course I can tell you how to prevent that from happening, and I do know how, but why give Obama’s people any free tips.

Obama’s forged CoLB was an amateur attempt. I could have done better because I have worked at the individual pixel level and would have mixed in green to hide the halos around the letters.

You wouldn't have had to bother doing that because digitally adding text to it doesn't produce any halos around the letters in the first place.

By the way, all the Obama apologiests have yet to prove how a document done in shades of green and black on a laser printer turns white around the letters.

You're putting the cart before the horse here. What hasn't been proved is that digitally adding text causes white around the letters. It has been claimed that this is what caused the white around the letters, but no one has shown that to be the case and no one has been able to duplicate it. I spent an hour or so last night playing around and adding text and other stuff and wasn't able to get any white around the letters.

I have a simple reason for why it happens, the letters are on a separate second layer via a photoshop program, but only the letters show on the COLB, the white background on the second layer does not, until the layers are merged and you get the halo effect from the splicing of the two different layers.

What white background? When I add a new layer, it's like laying a sheet of glass over the first layer. There is no white. And when I add text, there is no white around the letters. Even when the layers are merged.

Of course I can tell you how to prevent that from happening, and I do know how, but why give Obama’s people any free tips.

I'm not "Obama's people," but what I would like you to tell me is how to make it happen, not how to prevent it. What graphics program are you using and what steps are you going through to add text to the image that makes it happen?

“I do have a question...if they had been naturalized before they had kids, would the kids then be considered Natrual Born?”

Yes. Barack Hussien Obama aka Barry Soetoro is not a “natural born” citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of BO’s birth. If BO’s father had become a US citizen before BO was born, then he would be a “natural born” citizen....Provided he was born on US soil such as Hawaii as he says. We really do not know WHERE BO was born since we have not seen his original long form birth certificate. The Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” is not his original birth certificate.

Those who keep saying the Certification of Live Birth is the same as his birth certificate are either folks who have done NO research, or are Obama supporters who keep saying things without a back up of facts. If the Certificate of Live Birth is the same as his original birth certificate then why has BO spent close to one million dollars to keep the birth certificate sealed? If it is the same, what is he hiding? Why is he hiding college records? Passport records? Oh, never mind. We are supposed to believe everything is OK and he just wants to spend money on attorneys to keep everything sealed.

Sorry to say it, but we have a usurper squatting in the White House and his name is Barack Hussien Obama aka Barry Sortoro aka Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussien Mohammed Obama. Take your pick!

“Because the state of Hawaii has said this is a valid Hawaii birth certificate, and that it is proof in the eyes of the state of Hawaii.”

Think you need to do a little more research. You might find out that there is a large difference between a “Certification of Live Birth” and a “Certificate of Live Birth”. The “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama released is NOT HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

You're putting the cart before the horse here. What hasn't been proved is that digitally adding text causes white around the letters. It has been claimed that this is what caused the white around the letters, but no one has shown that to be the case and no one has been able to duplicate it. I spent an hour or so last night playing around and adding text and other stuff and wasn't able to get any white around the letters.

Oh, yes it has. Adding text graphics and other graphics on images does cause discoloring around the edges. It's a definite telltale sign of forgery.

I see you signed on as of yesterday and this is your second of three posts on two different Obama NBC threads.

if you print something on a laser printer there is no halo, simply because the ink is shot onto the paper very precisely.

For the purpose of our discussion we are talking about a black ink on a green sheet with no white involved.

The edges are crisp, clean, and uniform.

As we would expect from a standard word processor program.

But If we add text to a similar green sheet using photoshop(even the most generic version) program we don’t add text to the original image.

The text is added on a different layer normally this layer has a white background and the computer allows us to see only the text on the green sheet in a process similar to green screens or blue screens like we have seen on television for many years, where a weather man or an actor is placed into a scene or a map with a computerized camera trick.

and just like in the early days of television if it is not done correctly a halo will appear.

In the case of our photoshop programs these halos are caused by the automatic stencil surrounding the letters or the manual stencil used to cut out a section of an image pasted into the picture via layers on top of the original green sheet, picking up some of the layer the letters of image is on.

Remember that I said I worked at the pixel level to eliminate that sort of problem, the halos we see are bleed through from the background of an additional layer.

One way of cleaning them up is to paste over them at the pixel level with pixels the same color as the green sheet, but that isn’t the only method, there are others.

Oh, yes it has. Adding text graphics and other graphics on images does cause discoloring around the edges. It's a definite telltale sign of forgery.

Then as I said, someone is going to have to run me through this process step by step because I've never experienced that when adding text on images.

I see you signed on as of yesterday and this is your second of three posts on two different Obama NBC threads.

Yes, you have to register before you can post. I've been reading for some time already but this is the first occasion that I felt compelled to post.

Normally I prefer to just read about politics than to jump into the fray. But graphics is my bread and butter and I've been at it for a very long time.

I was rather taken aback when I read the post about the security paper and specifically the halos around the letters as this has never been anything I have had happen to me or anything I needed to do anything in particular to avoid. So I just thought I would chime in on something I have some experience with and that required that I register.

As for "three posts on two different Obama NBC threads," I don't know what you're talking about here. I have only posted on this thread as far as I'm aware. What other thread are you saying I posted on?

I’ll be happy to duplicate how they did it but I won’t tell you how to hide it, as for what happens when it is done poorly I have explained it to you already, but let me try to give you a simpler explanation on how is happens.

I'm not wanting to know how to hide it. It has never been a problem for me that I have had to hide.

if you print something on a laser printer there is no halo, simply because the ink is shot onto the paper very precisely. For the purpose of our discussion we are talking about a black ink on a green sheet with no white involved. The edges are crisp, clean, and uniform. As we would expect from a standard word processor program.

Yes, I understand that.

But If we add text to a similar green sheet using photoshop(even the most generic version) program we don’t add text to the original image. The text is added on a different layer normally this layer has a white background and the computer allows us to see only the text on the green sheet in a process similar to green screens or blue screens like we have seen on television for many years, where a weather man or an actor is placed into a scene or a map with a computerized camera trick.

That's not how adding text has worked with any graphics program I have ever used. The text, whether a vector font or a bitmap font, simply overlays the underlying image and there are no halos around the text, even when the layers are merged.

What graphics program are you using that works like this?

In the case of our photoshop programs these halos are caused by the automatic stencil surrounding the letters or the manual stencil used to cut out a section of an image pasted into the picture via layers on top of the original green sheet, picking up some of the layer the letters of image is on.

What automatic stencil surrounding the letters? What program are you using that has any sort of "stencil" surrounding the letters?

One way of cleaning them up is to paste over them at the pixel level with pixels the same color as the green sheet, but that isn’t the only method, there are others.

I've never had to clean up anything when adding text to an image.

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