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To: Dysart

I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter. It happened against a Mig-15 during the Korean War.


34 posted on 01/24/2009 10:35:01 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Redleg Duke

“I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter. It happened against a Mig-15 during the Korean War.”

That was Frank Fisch, a good friend of mine, and he was a Navy carrier pilot.


51 posted on 01/24/2009 11:04:39 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Redleg Duke

A Corsair pilot was also the only Navy ace of the Korean war and the last piston-powered ace. Cdr Guy Bordelon had a detachment of F4U-5N night fighters on board Princeton, as I recall, and near the end in July 1953 he was sent on detached duty to one of the shore bases where “Bedcheck Charlie” night bombers were making nuisances. I believe Bordelon smoked three of them in successive nights and had two other victories to add up to his five. He was picked up and flown back to the carrier for a suitable honors ceremony. Some Air Force pilot “borrowed” his F4U where he had left it parked and wrote it off.


52 posted on 01/24/2009 11:04:58 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: Redleg Duke
I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter. It happened against a Mig-15 during the Korean War.

IIRC, it may have been the first, but during Nam, a Spad (A-1C SkyRaider) from the USS Intrepid CVA-11 took down a Mig 17. VA-176 I think, but I disremember who. There's a book about SkyRaiders somewhere that has it there. Somewhere buried in my library stacks I've got a beat-up paperback about it...

Found it on Amazon:

Skyraider: The Douglas A-1 "Flying Dump Truck" by Navy Captain Rosario Rausa. Damn good book.

Further: yes, there were a couple of Mig-17's shot down by A-1 Skyraiders in Vietnam:

From Google... (I know, but...)MiG-17 FRESCO While flying a RESCAP mission over North Vietnam from the carrier USS Intrepid on Yankee Station in the Tonkin Gulf, four VA-176 A-1 Skyraider pilots were engaged by four North Vietnamese MiG-17s. During this encounter, one MiG 17 was confirmed downed, another was probably downed, and a third was damaged.

A-H Skyraider LCDR Leo Cook and his wingman LTJG Wiley were the lead section of Skyraiders working to locate and hopefully rescue a downed US pilot in North Vietnam. While maneuvering at low altitude between ridges and cloud layers, they were jumped by what turned out to be two sections of MiG 17s. Calling out the attack on their common radio frequency, Cook and Wiley fought for their lives. LT Pete Russell and LTJG Tom Patton soon arrived in the area and immediately gained a position of advantage on the MiGs. The details of this encounter were taped by the intelligence officer on board the Intrepid after the incident.

The tape was provided to the Skyraider Association by Walt Darran (pilot, VA-165, a sister Skyraider squadron on the Intrepid) and can be downloaded in RealAudio format at

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartapes/migkill/migkill.htm
------------------ Also earlier:

By Capt Clinton B. Johnson, USNR (Ret.)

June 20, 1965 – A-1 SKYRAIDER MIG Killers

PHOTOS OF US PILOTS & THEIR SKYRAIDERS

<snip> ...Coming around the hill we saw Ed Greathouse and Jim LYNNE low with the MiG lined up behind them. I fired a short burst and missed, but got his attention. He turned hard into us to make a head-on pass. Charlie and I fired simultaneously as he passed so close that Charlie thought that I had hit his vertical stabilizer with the tip of my tail hook and Charlie flew through his wake. Both of us fired all four guns. Charlie's rounds appeared to go down the intake and into the wing root and mine along the top of the fuselage and through the canopy. He never returned our fire, rolled inverted and hit a small hill exploding and burning in a farm field. Charlie and I circled the wreckage while I switched back to number two radio. We briefly considered trying to cut off the other MiG, but were dissuaded by the voice of Ed Greathouse asking what we thought we were doing staying in the area when STRAUSS was reporting numerous bogeys inbound to our position. We took the hint and headed out low level to the Tonkin Gulf were we rejoined with our flight leader.

So it looks like there were several Migs who fell victim to the Spad in Nam. I know, technically Spads were 'Attack' planes, not fighters, but still...

Whadda'ya know...

60 posted on 01/24/2009 11:46:02 AM PST by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Redleg Duke
I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter.

Sorry but very not true.. piston-engined fighters shot down jets in WW2 and during Korea a UK Sea Fury also bagged a Mig-15. I recall a USN A1 Skyraider got a Mig-17 during Vietnam

74 posted on 01/24/2009 1:35:15 PM PST by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: Redleg Duke

Robert Winks in a p-51D got one near Munich near the end of World War II

http://www.actionart.ca/index1g.htm

Several other pilots caught 262s on final approach.

Read “The First and the Last” by Adolf Galland - I recollect that’s how he got shot down.


77 posted on 01/24/2009 2:16:04 PM PST by PAR35
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