What is relevant to a presidential election is whether a candidate is a natural born citizen at the time he or she runs for office. A candidate who has never in the public record conclusively established his or her status as a natural born citizen or whose self-documented life includes visiting countries banned from visitation by US citizens or attending foreign schools whose students are restricted to be only citizens of a foreign country to begin with or who has relinquished whatever claim to citizenship he or she may have formerly held or who has otherwise yet to provide proof elegibility to become president under the US Constitution is by way of creating a vacuum of certainty over his or her claim to legitimacy of authority, effectively inviting legal and physical challenges to whatever authority he or she exercises in his or her presidential capacity. This effective invitation covers lawsuits, writs, domestic insurrections, and everything up to and including hostile nuclear actions from foreign countries or powers.
For the future, I think the vetting should be performed at the first time a candidate name is presented to a state election authority for appearance on a presidential primary ballot (to the best of my knowledge, that does not occur in any state or DC at this time).
As it currently seems to stand, Arnold Swarzenegger could under current procedure become US President by running for election, relying on his popularity with the voting public, and avoiding inconvenient questions until he is elected and sworn into office. Apparently that is a situation permitted by existing procedures, but at variance with the express intent of the authors of the US Constitution.
There was an additional opportunity for any two (one Representative and one Senator were required) of 535 members of Congress to object to Vice President Cheney’s Certification of the Electoral College vote during the joint session of Congress held on January 8th to count the Electoral College votes. No Senator and no Representative objected to the official certification of the Election.
It sounds to me as if you are already aware that it has been reported that Dick Cheney, when he presided over the Senate on January 8 did not, as prescribed by the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 15 (”Counting electoral votes in Congress”
Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.
stop and ask the Senate for objections.
“We have met the enemy and he is us.”
Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, in the state of Hawaii at 7:24 P.M. on August 4, 1961. That document further states that Obama’s birth was registered with the state of Hawaii on August 8, 1961 and there are two notices of his birth which appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspapers on Sunday, August 13, 1961.
Therefore the ONLY legal issue regarding his status as a Natural Born Citizen is whether the document that he has presented from the state of Hawaii is a forgery or a fraudulent {altered and invalid) document.
I am suggesting that his vault copy, long form, original Certification of Live Birth be subpoenaed by any authorized officer of the Court (in accordance with Hawaii law) such as a District Attorney or a state Attorney General to ascertain the validity of his original birth certificate and his short form Certification of Live Birth. Thus far, to my knowledge no subpoena has been issued.
All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met. The Vice President received no written objections, therefore he did not inquire as to whether there were any objections. It would have taken one Senator and one Representative stating their objections IN WRITING to stop the Certification of the Electoral Collge vote.
Once the Electoral College has voted, their votes have been certified by the President of the Senate, and the person with the most electoral votes has taken the Oath of Office at Noon on January 20th, there is a President.
The process of removing a sitting President is via impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors in a Senate trial.
Earlier you asked me
Whose job do you think it is to determine whose credentials are acceptable as a natural born citizen in order to become President of the United States?
I was merely responding in the idealistic sense.
Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of ...
I'm sorry, to whom did he present the certified document and for what specific reason? By "certified document" are you referring to a certification or a long form birth certificate?
Apparently Obama has signed statements for various states to the effect that he is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president, and copies of these signed statements are apparently publicly available (at least they show up on the Internet). IMHO that's a stronger assertion than merely that he was born in the US. Anyway, there seem to be are four possible outcomes.
One, the statements are true and will be publicly proven to be true-- if so, his authority will be enhanced by the discrediting of some of his detractors.
Two, the statements are false and will be publicly proven to be false-- if so, the US is IMHO likely to be thrown into mass confusion if not civil war.
Three, the veracity of the statements remain in doubt for the duration of his presidency.
Four, some event occurs that makes the question of the veracity of the statements moot, such as if Obama dies or is determined to be mentally incompetent to carry out his duties while in office, or he declares martial law.
To me, it is difficult to imagine Obama being able to maintain an airtight lid on whether or not he is qualified. Every presidency since Washington has had a honeymoon period followed by political discord to a greater or lesser degree. Because of the large magnitude of political forces being exerted in such times, those times are when such secrets tend to come out, if they do not already come out during the election process.
Alternative four is particularly scary to me.
All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met.
Cite?
The Vice President received no written objections, ...
Cite?