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To: chesley

You’ll never vote for ANY Republican again because of Steele’s comments? Right.

Tell me, Chesley, how do YOU propose the GOP regain a foothold in the NE and Pacific states? In those areas, the culture war is already over — and our side has lost. For all her faults, I’d rather have Christie Whitman running NJ than Cornine. Does that make me a traitor to conservatism, or does it make me pragmatic?


102 posted on 02/02/2009 9:52:00 AM PST by Gunder
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To: Gunder

If I may join in, I would say that being “Pragmatic” is another code word for being a moderate socialist. Meaning you will gladly accept every attempt to tear down every principle that is the basis for Conservatism in the first place.

As far as trying to mimic the party that has spoiled the East coast in the first place, simply leave them to their own degradation. Before long, they will crumble from within their own design.

That is when a real Conservative steps in and turns it around like Reagan did. You don’t fight these people by joining them in other words, you let them stew in their own juices and fail miserably. The more you leave them to their own ideology, the quicker they fail.


119 posted on 02/02/2009 10:05:25 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: Gunder
Not just NE and Pacific. The Abortion ballot went down in flames in SD and when Republicans tried to replace science with Creationism in Kansas and Cobb County Georgia they were defeated soundly in the Republican Primaries. Polls were running 80% against the Republican action in that whole Teri Schevio mess.

Rush is only partly right when he says “Conservatism wins everytime it's tried”

Fiscal yes it's true, but Social Conservatism (a.k.a. Christian Socialism) on the other hand repels

Case in point, Embryonic Research, which was on the ballot in Missouri and New Jersey

In 2006 In Conservative Missouri, it was fought as a moral issue yet it still passed by a large margin,

Yet in 2007 in Ultra Liberal New Jersey, it was fought as a fiscal issue and ended up being soundly defeated.

Fiscal should come 1st, social issues should be hearts and minds issues not federal government ones. Focusing on the social issues over the fiscal ones is what has brought the GOP to disater. Continuing that path will ensure we never win an election again. Don't like abortion, don't have one, don't like what's on TV, Don't watch. Meanwhile if you don't like the spending on a particular program, try not paying your taxes, see what happens.

194 posted on 02/02/2009 10:44:42 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Gunder

makes you a RINO and part of the problem. The only solution is conservatism.


232 posted on 02/02/2009 10:58:57 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Gunder
I don't know that I want the GOP to survive. Certainly not as a liberal party.

Liberalism has been a one-way ratchet all my life, and if a party won't ratchet back, to hell with them. At least with the Dems, Americans KNOW they are getting liberalism, and vote for it anyway, and deserve what they will get. Unless they are terminally stupid.

I just wish there was an opt-out clause.

However, if this was just talk, adn the GOP does not move left, I will vote for specific candidates based on their personal positions. For example, I'm pretty proud to vote for Jeff Sessions, and moderately so for Richard Shelby.

451 posted on 02/02/2009 2:03:40 PM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
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