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Who Killed JFK?
The Andrea Shea King Show ^ | Feb. 4, 2009 | Andrea Shea King

Posted on 02/04/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by patriotgal1787

Do you believe that the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was the result of shots fired by a lone assassin from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository?

Or are you one of many who believe it was a conspiracy that involved the highest levels of our government?

The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.

The late President Gerald R. Ford, the last surviving member of the commission admitted that the CIA destroyed pertinent documents, covering up the investigation of the assassination, in a recently published book.

Tim Miller, the book publisher who helped author the text, believes there was a conspiracy and that Ford knew even more than he told his publisher and the world. Ford shares many other breath-taking admissions with the reader in this, his final book, written three years prior to his own death.

What did Ford say about the "single bullet theory," the Zapruder film, and Oliver Stone’s movie, JFK?

"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"

Tim Miller joins us to discuss tonight at 9 p.m. ET -- link to the show here.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: assassination; conspiracynuts; geraldford; jfkassassination; kennedy; presidents; warrenreport
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Bingo! And Johnson did it using CIA operatives, the Mob, and Texas oil money.


51 posted on 02/04/2009 12:15:59 PM PST by Rockingham
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One-armed man

52 posted on 02/04/2009 12:16:20 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: patriotgal1787

Sniper from the grassy knoll hit him in the throat, then Jackie finished him off with a .44 derringer, which she fumbled out onto the back of the limo.

Motive and opportunity. Sounds as good as any other theory I’ve heard.


53 posted on 02/04/2009 12:16:22 PM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: karnage

Cool thanks. Wondered who it was.

I looked it up in Wiki and it is him. I will pass this info on to the girls.


54 posted on 02/04/2009 12:16:43 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: IbJensen
A consortium of mobsters and the USSR

The fingerprints of Fidel Castro, the Cuban DGI, the KGB, and the New Orleans Mob are all over the case.

I personally believe that Fidel made the Mob Boys a better offer than the one they had from JFK. JFK was trying to kill Fidel with Mob hit men. Unfortunately, the CIA was penetrated at a very high level and Fidel knew everything. He struck back

LHO was a perfect instrument for Fidel. It is interesting that the KGB spent 10 years trying to convince the CIA that they had had NO interest in LHO while he was living in the USSR, this at a time when ANY visitor to the USSR had 24/7 KGB coverage and an assigned Intourist "Guide."

55 posted on 02/04/2009 12:17:17 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Obama campaigned in Kenya for Jihadist Church-Burner Odinga. Didn't McCain know?)
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To: Little Ray
Jackie did it and it served that b@st@rd right for cheating on her.

Gold Star for originality!

56 posted on 02/04/2009 12:17:49 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

nice job. you cracked the code.


57 posted on 02/04/2009 12:18:03 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: pnh102
It was Oswald and no one else. If there was a conspiracy it would involve hundreds or even thousands of people at all levels of government working in consort.

Someone would have squealed by now.

Exactly, that many people couldn't keep a secret for this long.

58 posted on 02/04/2009 12:18:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: patriotgal1787

I think Oswald shot him but everything after that is really strange. Maybe he did it alone but I wouldn’t be surprised if the mob or the commies did it.


59 posted on 02/04/2009 12:18:46 PM PST by yarddog
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To: pnh102

Here’s one who seems to have talked:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/print


60 posted on 02/04/2009 12:19:19 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Waco
It always looked ‘’suspecious’’ to me how quick the FBI is to say only 1 guy was involved.

Most likely explanation is that there was a rush-to-judgment by the FBI, but they got it right anyway. Like my buddy said about OJ Simpson: The LAPD framed a guilty man.

61 posted on 02/04/2009 12:19:24 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: patriotgal1787

The media, so they would have something to fill up their pages and production schedule with for two weeks every freakin’ November. You’re out of cycle.


62 posted on 02/04/2009 12:21:33 PM PST by TADSLOS (McCain always has a job as Obama's Butt Boy when he loses his seat in 2010)
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To: Little Ray

that has always been my theory...hell hath no fury than that of a woman scorned..


63 posted on 02/04/2009 12:21:37 PM PST by joe fonebone (The libtard votes in every election, regardless of the candidate.)
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To: Born In America
Oh, stop it. Literally hundreds of people have replicated Oswald's ability to fire the shots. He was a Marine sharp-shooter, but everytime someone writes a book or article to show it was possible, they trudge up to the sixth floor and do it.

You're falling for one of the biggest KGB hoaxes in history.

64 posted on 02/04/2009 12:22:04 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Pistolshot
Oswald from the TSB with a Carcano.

Not consistent with film evidence.

65 posted on 02/04/2009 12:22:13 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Born In America
Evidently you know little about the Carcanos available at that time by mail order. Most were new, made at Benicia aresenal by...Beretta.....the rifles are smooth in action and fast on repeat shots. Color case hardened bolts and blue steeled recievers. The raceway for the bolt is simple and easy to use. The cock-on-close makes fast follow-up shots easy.
The 6.5 Carcano is a light recoiling medium range cartridge designed for one purpose. Penetration at medium ranges. (200-350 yards)

Could Oswald fire 3 shots at a max distance of 600 FEET in what has been determined to be approx. 8 seconds? Of course.

Wearing this contraption for his bad back only held him upright. The reaction you see is the interuption of the muscles needed to stay erect using this thing. Notice in every picture/film Kennedy is leaning forward in the seat as the motorcade rolls along.


66 posted on 02/04/2009 12:22:30 PM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: patriotgal1787

I have an alibi.


67 posted on 02/04/2009 12:22:34 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

Conspiracy theroists are complete imbeciles.
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LOL. That is the exact same thought I have every time some freeper posts the Clinton/Arkancide list.


68 posted on 02/04/2009 12:22:57 PM PST by dmz
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To: Unlikely Hero

“Past JFK traveled into the future to kill himself, thus assuring a place in history as a mythical hero.”

Aha, the RED DWARF endgame. Not to mention that past Kennedy was a sentient wax replicant from the future, while dead Kennedy is a really good name for a band.


69 posted on 02/04/2009 12:23:42 PM PST by Rinnwald (Vigilance, not paranoia)
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To: pnh102

My father was an expert on the assassination. I grew up with the Warren Report strewn on our kitchen table. He covered Ruby’s trial for the Saturday Evening Post and was working on a book about Ruby when he died. He interviewed every single player...and his conclusion was the same as yours: Too many people would have had to keep quiet..and that’s just not human nature.


70 posted on 02/04/2009 12:24:00 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Rockingham

I believe that is true. For there to have only been one shooter, at least one of the bullets would have had to have made at least 3 right angle turns, and that is highly unlikely.


71 posted on 02/04/2009 12:24:14 PM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Slight modification. 17.4 comes out to November 23rd 1963.

George Bush was born on July 6, 1946, that’s 761946

John F Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963, that’s 11221963, when Bush was 17

now,

7+6+1+9+4+6 = 33

1+9+6+3 = 19

And 33/19 = 1.74.

Now George Bush was born in 46. 4+6 = 10.

Multiply 1.74 by 10, and you get 17.4, the EXACT age of George W Bush when JFK was assassinated!

Proving conclusively that Bush killed JFK.


72 posted on 02/04/2009 12:24:38 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Born In America
No way one man could squeeze off three shots with an antiquated manual rifle.

Nonsense. Using the same type of rifle, the actual shooting has been duplicated many times by many different people.

Not a particularly hard series of shots to make with a fast, scoped bolt action rifle of minimum recoil, no matter how "antiquated," or cheap.

73 posted on 02/04/2009 12:24:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Obama campaigned in Kenya for Jihadist Church-Burner Odinga. Didn't McCain know?)
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To: patriotgal1787
I would put nothing past LBJ.
74 posted on 02/04/2009 12:24:44 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (!yaw gnorw eht su gnikat si noitartsinimdA amabO ehT)
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To: patriotgal1787

Oswald was framed by the FBI....Not knowing he was guilty!!!


75 posted on 02/04/2009 12:25:36 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Deb

Not true. Read the Warren Comm. evidence, the FBI could not do it. Nor could the Army.


76 posted on 02/04/2009 12:25:46 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics.)
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To: B-Chan

See 66.


77 posted on 02/04/2009 12:26:39 PM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: patriotgal1787
I believe there was more than one shooter but I do not believe the government cover-up was a conspiracy. I believe there was more than one shooter because the killing headshot on Kennedy very obviously did not come from behind him. Had he been hit in the back of his head his face would have been blown off, which it wasn't, and the back of his skull would not have landed on the trunk of the limo.

I believe the government did in this case what law enforcement does in LOTS of cases: they pinned it on the one guy they could get their hands on to make the public feel like the government had acted effectively and also to make people feel safer in thinking that one or more shooters were not still at large. I do NOT believe the government in any capacity killed JFK.

Do I care to have this whole thing re-investigated 45 years after the fact? Nope. Not at all.

But do I think Oswald acted alone? No, I do not. I also consider it possible that Oswald was a convenient patsy for local law enforcement and the FBI to pin this on and it would not surprise me in the least to someday find out that Oswald was targeted for suspicion just because no one would be expected to want to defend him from the accusation.

Yes, Oswald may well have done this. But he would also have made the perfect patsy because who in 1963 America would give a damn about an abject failure who couldn't even make a go of living in the USSR?

78 posted on 02/04/2009 12:27:27 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: Concho
forensics clearly show bullets coming from no more than one direction

That is just a fact. It may be possible that Castro's folks did encourage Oswald. We will never know. But we do know that he was the lone gunman. If the mob or the CIA were involved, it would have come to light long ago.

79 posted on 02/04/2009 12:28:32 PM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Nonsense. Using the same type of rifle, the actual shooting has been duplicated many times by many different people.
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The timing of the shots, certainly. Haven’t kept up on this as some have, but has the behavior of the pristine bullet, that passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connally’s chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone ever been duplicated?

(yes much of the above is a copy/paste from wikipedia)


80 posted on 02/04/2009 12:29:14 PM PST by dmz
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To: April Lexington
Its simple folks.... never visit Dallas in an open convertible when your vice president is from Texas!

LOL! Now that's what I call a bottom line in plain sight!

81 posted on 02/04/2009 12:29:58 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: pnh102

No, it was the Mafia. Payback for Bobby K’s going after them when they had helped Kennedy go after Castro. Same for Bobby’s death.


82 posted on 02/04/2009 12:30:46 PM PST by expatpat
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To: outofstyle

So if Kennedy had his back to Oswald, then how do you account for the bullet that hit him in the right side of the forehead?


83 posted on 02/04/2009 12:30:55 PM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: patriotgal1787
Miss Scarlet, with the Mannliker Rifle, from the book depository.
84 posted on 02/04/2009 12:31:21 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: JoeA

B-A-L-O-N-E-Y! I’ve seen specials on the Discovery Channel, the Learning Channel and The National Geographics Channel...all using sharp-shooters, all making the shots. Since the sixth floor depository is now a museum, people go up there all the time see if they can do it. You can too.


85 posted on 02/04/2009 12:32:44 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: pnh102
RE: "Someone would have squealed by now."

Some did squeal and they are dismissed as nuts.

I remember those days. I remember the talk that LBJ was out in 1964. I remember the investigations of Bobby Baker, Billie Sol Estes, et al -- including organized crime and murders -- and I ask, who had the most to lose BIG time if JFK was re-elected?

I did not source this but I swear I remember talk that the Kennedy's had taken note of LBJ's shenanigans and LBJ would not be on the ticket in 1964. Meanwhile the federal investigations continued and they had "legs" in the MSM world.

Call me a nut.. please! but I believe LBJ was definitely involved if not the actual leader. The involvement of the Vice President, CIA personnel, et al in no way besmirches the office of the VP or the CIA itself, these were individuals.

See also Barr McClellan.

Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination

86 posted on 02/04/2009 12:32:48 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Multiply 1.74 by 10, and you get 17.4, the EXACT age of George W Bush when JFK was assassinated!

Ahem.. Koff. koff...

Wow... that's, umm... pretty impressive work there.

I'm pretty sure he killed John Lennon and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. too, didn't he?

I mean, the numbers don't lie.

87 posted on 02/04/2009 12:32:54 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: pnh102
The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.

Because to a True Believer, no amount of evidence will ever be enough.

88 posted on 02/04/2009 12:33:20 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: Pistolshot
Actually the Carcano is one of the worst military rifles ever. They are generally fairly roughly made. I have owned several of them.

Having said that, they are still an effective rifle, fully capable of doing the job.

Now all these experts who keep saying Oswald was a real sharpshooter are all wet. He barely qualified and I think they gave him the designation of marksman or maybe sharpshooter, I can't recall off hand, which is a bit of a misnomer as it was the lowest grade the Marines gave for someone who qualified. I have read more than once that he failed to qualify on his first attempt, tho I don't know if that is true since so much misinformation is out there.

Now shooting is something I have done all my life and it is one of the few things I really know. Yes, Oswald's shots were possible but really difficult even for a good shot. The fact that it could have been done is enough to make it possible tho. The fact that it was difficult is enough to make one suspicious.

89 posted on 02/04/2009 12:33:35 PM PST by yarddog
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

“Proving conclusively that Bush killed JFK.”

It was Nixon and Halderman silly wabbit.


90 posted on 02/04/2009 12:33:41 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: Nabber

Then you have very poor taste. Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy was definitely NOT GUILTY no matter what she did.


91 posted on 02/04/2009 12:34:28 PM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: patriotgal1787

A tiger got him.


92 posted on 02/04/2009 12:34:41 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Concho

“I believe that is true. For there to have only been one shooter, at least one of the bullets would have had to have made at least 3 right angle turns, and that is highly unlikely.”

That’s the old canard used by conspiracists along with the “magic bullet” theory. Connally was sitting on a jump seat, lower and inboard of Kennedy. Simulations show that the shot lines up beautifully. Also, the magic bullet was heavily deformed. It only appears pristine from one side (the photo conspiracists always show).


93 posted on 02/04/2009 12:35:28 PM PST by Rinnwald (Vigilance, not paranoia)
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To: patriotgal1787

Every one on the inside knows that Martin Luther King Jr. had Jesse Jackson pay the Russians to kill JFK and set Lee Harvey Oswald up as the fall guy so Johnson could become president, pass the war on poverty, and start the ball rolling to get a black man elected president.

Heh, heh.


94 posted on 02/04/2009 12:36:54 PM PST by Iron Munro (Atlas Shrugged until Obama made shrugging while white a hate crime.)
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To: Concho
You have fallen for the biggest lie of the conspiracy theorists. That Kennedy and Connaly sat in line with each other.

Here's a photo of the inside of the limo - driver side. The passenger side mirrors this. The jump seat where Connoly rides is INBOARD and BELOW where Kennedy sat and is in direct line with the TSBD.


95 posted on 02/04/2009 12:39:01 PM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: Concho
For there to have only been one shooter, at least one of the bullets would have had to have made at least 3 right angle turns, and that is highly unlikely.

That is untrue. Computer modeling of the scene depicted in the Zabruder film shows that Kennedy & Connolly are perfectly aligned at the moment that the "single bullet fact" occurred.

96 posted on 02/04/2009 12:39:27 PM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: Deb

It’s been done recently, but at the time of the investigation, neither the FBI or the Army could duplicate the shots. You could look it up....


97 posted on 02/04/2009 12:40:44 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Did Kennedy’s brain really disappear from the National Archives? What was that all about?


98 posted on 02/04/2009 12:41:31 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: patriotgal1787

Who, I have no idea. But *why* he was killed, I have a novel idea.

JFK had Addison’s disease, also known as chronic adrenal insufficiency, an endocrine disorder, among his other numerous physical complaints. This explains the odd appearance of his skin, one of the obvious symptoms of the disease. At the time, it could have been diagnosed by a physician familiar with the disease just by looking at him from a few feet away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addison’s_disease

At the time, the only treatment for the disease was the use of cortisone, still a relatively new and misunderstood “miracle drug”. For several years in the 1940s, he had cortisone injections, when the drug was still rare and expensive, but by the time of his presidency, he would intermittently take cortisone pills, now in mass production.

It was incorrectly popularly believed at the time that cortisone would or could cause severe clinical paranoia. This was reinforced by a popular movie that came out in 1956, entitled “Bigger Than Life”, which starred a powerful performance by the top star James Mason, of a man driven murderously insane from taking cortisone pills.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0049010/

In the context of the time, when America was still traumatized by the Cuban Missile Crisis, and there was a tremendous public fear of nuclear war, the bad logic could have gone like this:

1) JFK is sick. A doctor who looked at him says it is Addison’s disease, which fatal without treatment.
2) The only way to treat Addison’s disease is with cortisone. Cortisone will drive you mad. You remember that movie?
3) When JFK goes mad, he will start a nuclear war. He already came close to starting a nuclear war over Cuba.
4) “We” (whoever “we” is) can’t allow that to happen. JFK will never voluntarily step down for health reasons. This leaves “us” no choice but to kill JFK.


99 posted on 02/04/2009 12:41:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ArrogantBustard
It was purple-skinned reptilian monsters from Planet Zork.

Which is just what the Bilderburgers WANT you to believe!

The Trilateral Commission and the Grays had a problem: JFK's relationship with Jackie meant that she might let slip vital government secrets to her lover, Marilyn Monroe. To prevent this, Elvis and Bobby Kennedy conspired with the remnants of the Fourth Reich, safe in their base in the Artic at the entry to the hollow earth to hatch a plan: If they could convince the REAL H.G.Wells to bring back killer robot clones from the future to hunt down and shoot Jackie after Marilyn went into hiding with James Arness, who, it can now be revealed, really WAS a form of deadly carnivorous carrot, not just playing one as he did in that B movie. Well, after the MIB's found out, they managed to use selective weather control hardware placed into Sputnik by Nicoli Tesla to convince Lee Harvey (ROBOT!) Oswald to twitch at the critical moment by beaming (AGAIN!) Elvis music into his head through the fillings in his teeth, and whamo, the shot MISSES JACKIE, takes out JFK, AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT I TURN INTO THE KIND OF PERSON WHO POSTS IN ALL CAPS AND ENDS SENTENCES WITH MANICAL LAUGHTER AND TOO MANY EXCLAIMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

100 posted on 02/04/2009 12:42:47 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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