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Debunking The "Smoot-Hawley Caused The Great Depression" Myth
Vanity | February 4, 2009 | UCFRoadWarrior

Posted on 02/04/2009 2:40:10 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior

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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Bump for later reading :)


281 posted on 02/04/2009 10:33:41 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: pissant
See the increases in GDP from 1934 on (except for 1938 with consideration of spending increases).

Gross Domestic Product (ref. 1929 dollars in millions)

Year    GDP

1929   101,444
1930    91,513
1931    84,300
1932    70,682
1933    68,337
1934    74,609
1935    85,806
1936    95,798
1937   103,917
1938    96,670
1939   103,736
1940   112,961
1941   126,237

Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, NBER Series 08166.


282 posted on 02/04/2009 11:23:55 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Uncle Miltie

We will see if the present trend continues...exactly which industry will be targeted next...we gave up without a fight. Other countries that understand the value of manufacturing must be laughing at the stupid Americans.


283 posted on 02/05/2009 4:20:14 AM PST by nyconse
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To: PeteePie

I’ll take Ben Stein’s word on this question.


284 posted on 02/05/2009 4:36:24 AM PST by tellw
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Warrior please ping everyone...I have a buy America vanity. Here is the thread...Stop the madness. I don’t like stimulus but if it will happen GOP pork added so it appears likely...Buy America must remain.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2178848/posts?page=8


285 posted on 02/05/2009 5:29:10 AM PST by nyconse
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; All

Warrior please ping everyone...I have a buy America vanity. Here is the thread...Stop the madness. I don’t like stimulus but if it will happen GOP pork added so it appears likely...Buy America must remain.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2178848/posts?page=8


286 posted on 02/05/2009 5:29:25 AM PST by nyconse
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To: familyop

>> You used the bandwagon approach and a hasty generalization as substitutes for argument <<

Nothing “hasty” at all about my approach or my argument. The case for free trade been studied, analyzed, and empirically tested time and again since the days of Adam Smith, that is, over the past 233 years. The scientific literature on the matter is so vast that one truly could spend a lifetime reading it.

Moreover, if Adam Smith, Milton Friedman and Tom Sowell are all on the free trade “bandwagon,” then that’s where I want also to be. I’m proud and happy to be in such company.

In any event, Smith, Friedman, Sowell and literally thousands of other economists have done all of the analysis and all of the argumentation that anyone could ever wish for. No propostion in philosophy or science has ever been more thouroughly vetted than has the notion of comparative advantage (or “gains from trade”), and this proposition has stood the test of time — both logically and empirically — at least since 1776.

In other words, further argumentation or explanation is genuinely unnecessary.


287 posted on 02/05/2009 7:26:17 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Mase

I can name plenty of consumers who aren’t citizens and who should have no say in our trade policies. Can’t you?


288 posted on 02/05/2009 8:18:23 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

LOL! You obviously don’t like my question, do you? You never seem able to answer it. I guess you don’t want to admit that a citizen is also a consumer and, therefore, benefits from free(r) trade. Perhaps that’s why free traders have done so well at winning elections. If only people would do what you want them to, eh hedge?


289 posted on 02/05/2009 8:33:03 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I am sure Sowell has some non-supportable theory as to why this is good

LOL!

290 posted on 02/05/2009 9:19:48 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Mase

Actually it’s you who don’t like to give citizens any more authority than as a mere consumer. Where is the benefit for citizens from “free trade” today? “free traders” have bought elections for the last 30 years, and our economy is in complete shambles from their policies. We are facing a total socialism in our government for the first time as a result of the unfettered “free trade” policies of Bush, Clinton, Bush.

Citizens want a strong country and prosperous domestic economy. They cannot ‘consume’ their way into it as has been demonstrated by “free trade” and our current economic devastation. Yet there you are, harping on the failed policies of “free trade”—it’s as if you want America to pass into oblivion. Why?


291 posted on 02/05/2009 9:38:36 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You always give me a good laugh, hedge. We're facing socialism because we have the smaller proportion of society that's productive supporting the larger portion of society that is not. Your addled mind keeps trying to equate free(r) trade with illegal immigration. That's a broken record that was long ago exposed for the idiocy it is.

Your views on trade mirror those of Obama so you should feel very comfortable with what he's attempting to do. Higher prices and restricting personal freedom is for the good of the American people don't you know.

By the way, 130 million American citizens shop at Wal-Mart every week which proves, not that we didn't know already, that you have no clue what American citizens want. You just think you know what's best for them. I'd pay big money to see you stand outside a Wal-Mart some Saturday afternoon calling everyone entering the store a traitor. You do have health insurance, don't you?

292 posted on 02/05/2009 11:44:03 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
We're facing socialism because we have the smaller proportion of society that's productive supporting the larger portion of society that is not.

TAA and ATAA famous "free trade" programs to support Americans displaced by "free trade".

US tax dollars used to pay for people deliberately laid off to support federal "free traders" overseas investments.

Look at Britain to find out what happens next.

"free trade" is the tool for implementing global socialism. People have said this for years on this forum, and look! It's happening!
293 posted on 02/05/2009 1:18:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mase
Your views on trade mirror those of Obama so you should feel very comfortable with what he's attempting to do.

You're projecting, LOL! He hasn't changed a thing from the Bush Clinton Bush agenda.
294 posted on 02/05/2009 1:19:39 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mase
Higher prices and restricting personal freedom is for the good of the American people don't you know.

What personal freedom? The only 'freedom' you want is for transnational corporations to throw off any constitutional restrictions, and any citizen sovereignty over their own government so they can operate without hindrance in any country, and over any group of citizens.

What lower prices? Oh, you mean the ones you get when you have Chinese communist slave labor camps producing shoddy, poisoned goods? Oh that's cheap all right.

You are a "free trade" anarchist with no respect for this nation or it's people.
295 posted on 02/05/2009 1:24:27 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mase
I'd pay big money to see you stand outside a Wal-Mart some Saturday afternoon calling everyone entering the store a traitor. You do have health insurance, don't you?

Personal threat. Nothing more is expected from someone like you.
296 posted on 02/05/2009 1:26:06 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You confuse government "programs" with the freedom to trade. No surprise there. Britian went to it's deathbed because of socialism and protectionism. Thatcher changed that by cutting taxes, spending and embracing free trade just like Reagan.

You believe that more freedom = socialism? You are one of the most confused consumers I've ever seen. Entertaining, but very confused.

297 posted on 02/05/2009 2:13:18 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Uh, huh. Obama is being forced to resist his protectionist/fascist beliefs regarding trade. Time will tell how long his union buddies will allow him to get away with it.

Hedgetrimmer and the unions unite to fight global socialism! You're the gift (laughter) that keeps on giving.

298 posted on 02/05/2009 2:17:43 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
How do you explain 130 million Americans shopping at Wal-Mart every week? You can't and that fact voids everything you rant about. Only an elitist would believe they know what's better for an American citizen than the individual making the purchase.
299 posted on 02/05/2009 2:20:40 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase; hedgetrimmer

“Only an elitist would believe they know what’s better for an American citizen than the individual making the purchase.”

Oh, come on! Name calling won’t make you right. The government does that every day with these stupid ‘trade deals’. They decide what’s good or not for all of us. Free trade doesn’t require thousands of pages. Even Milton Friedman acknowledged they are government managed trade and have nothing to do with ‘free trade’.


300 posted on 02/05/2009 2:25:13 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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