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Debunking The "Smoot-Hawley Caused The Great Depression" Myth
Vanity | February 4, 2009 | UCFRoadWarrior

Posted on 02/04/2009 2:40:10 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior

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To: nyconse

The price of rice in Japan is something like triple that of the U.S. The price of beef is something like quintuple that of the U.S.

Their protection against importation of U.S. goods has a real cost.


241 posted on 02/04/2009 7:46:56 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Congress declares a National Dividend in the amount of $9,000 per taxpayer instead of Porkulus.)
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To: nyconse
"Japan to build transplants auto plants in the South. This provided jobs to these states"

That is impossible because Free Trade could never create American Manufacturing Jobs. See previous posts for proof.

(Is a < / sarc> tag really necessary?)

242 posted on 02/04/2009 7:48:17 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Congress declares a National Dividend in the amount of $9,000 per taxpayer instead of Porkulus.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The middle class took it on the chin which is why the children health care act was signed today...so few jobs with benefits these days. Do you want Free trade or a Republic because you can’t have both...we will slide into socialism if something is not done to stem the loss of good jobs.


243 posted on 02/04/2009 7:48:37 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse
"you are on the retail end-lowest part in terms of wealth creation."

Loving that six figure "lowest part" for 20 years.

How you doin'?

244 posted on 02/04/2009 7:49:22 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Congress declares a National Dividend in the amount of $9,000 per taxpayer instead of Porkulus.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

They are not American manufacturing jobs...foreign company. However, they are a direct result of Reagan’s threats of tariffs.


245 posted on 02/04/2009 7:49:53 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

The left is in power. We are about to lurch farther left.

This de-regulation you speak of. Is this some ancient custom of the 1980’s?


246 posted on 02/04/2009 7:51:06 PM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

You miss the point...rather than one piece of the action so to speak, we would be better off to manufacture the entire software product-from start to finish.


247 posted on 02/04/2009 7:51:29 PM PST by nyconse
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To: Big_Monkey
What age should the state set, the Federal has law about taking minors across state lines the last I heard. What should they be??
248 posted on 02/04/2009 7:51:39 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I don't see the harm.

I think the US have given up too much over the decades in situations that were far from free trade. We just gave Japan the electronics industry in the late '50s and '60s so they could rebuild their economy and become a strong Cold War ally. Then we opened our market to their autos in the late '60s and early '70s. And, as much criticism as could directed at the Big Three, there was nothing they could have done to offset the impact of Japan's entry into the US auto market. There was no new market to open for US auto makers, and Japan even kept theirs closed. Japan got the key to the auto market kingdom, and the domestics got nothing in return. There is a long list of such giveaways that damaged domestic industries.

But, people often want to plot various things against GDP from 1929 until the 1950s or so to illustrate whatever. I'd love to see the money supply plotted against GDP for those years. Have you ever come across such a graph?

249 posted on 02/04/2009 7:52:36 PM PST by Will88
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To: Uncle Miltie

Quite true...we could make much money in that market-too bad we are not allowed to...billions of American money lost in trade as usual.


250 posted on 02/04/2009 7:53:08 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse
Adjusting time scale:

"Plastics."

(To Dustin Hoffman, "The Graduate", circa 1964)

"But you see the Chinese Japanese will eventually make the software plastic gizmos as well or some other third world country will...this is the problem with trade as practiced today."

Your argument doesn't stand the test of time so well. The industry that will replace software hasn't been invented yet. So long as we don't let 0bamessiah and protectionists turn this country into an ossified dictatorship of the proletariat, we'll invent the next industry, and our kids will be rolling in that dough. Just don't kill the productive goose of motivation with the knife of protectionism.

251 posted on 02/04/2009 7:54:39 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Congress declares a National Dividend in the amount of $9,000 per taxpayer instead of Porkulus.)
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To: Mase
At least McCain could get into the Naval Academy. Can't say the same for his critics.

I know that wasn't intended for me so I'll let it pass*.

Michigan is totally screwed, they have stupid greedy unions, a bad work ethic, Marxist politicians - one would have to crazy to invest there.

(But you might want to check McCain's DNA before you talk about 'getting into the Academy')

252 posted on 02/04/2009 7:55:48 PM PST by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Foreign imports priced below their domestic price and sold in this country...drove steel out of business. You know this is true. You just think that American industry is not important.


253 posted on 02/04/2009 7:56:24 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

It’s been fun. Good night.


254 posted on 02/04/2009 7:57:26 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Congress declares a National Dividend in the amount of $9,000 per taxpayer instead of Porkulus.)
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To: familyop

The administration’s other response to the 1937 deepening of the Great Depression had more tangible results. Ignoring the pleas of the Treasury Department, Roosevelt embarked on an antidote to the depression, reluctantly abandoning his efforts to balance the budget and launching a $5 billion spending program in the spring of 1938,


255 posted on 02/04/2009 7:58:31 PM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: listenhillary

Your point...is?


256 posted on 02/04/2009 7:58:45 PM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2178473/reply?c=202

All economic indicators were up since 1934 on.


257 posted on 02/04/2009 8:01:39 PM PST by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Will88

Trade is often used as a reward for those countries we like or want something from...a tool for foreign policy with no consideration of the effect on the economy or American business.


258 posted on 02/04/2009 8:01:44 PM PST by nyconse
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To: Uncle Miltie

I didn’t say it would be a new product...the Japanese are great copycats...better hope they stay away from your business. China is attempting to drive American chip makers out of business at the moment...and so it continues.


259 posted on 02/04/2009 8:04:10 PM PST by nyconse
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To: listenhillary

Since I didn’t ask you about this...I have no idea what your point is...however, if you are trying to tell me that our current economic condition is a good one...then I would say there are lies, damned lies and statistics.


260 posted on 02/04/2009 8:05:45 PM PST by nyconse
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