Posted on 02/04/2009 3:38:34 PM PST by patriotgal1787
The actual conspiracy was that the CIA was desperately trying to cover it’s botched surveillance of and contacts with Oswald prior to the assassination, by destroying photos and documents. The killing of the President was done by Oswald alone.
I agree . . . with a cheap-@ss bolt, shooting down on an increasing plane at a moving target with trees in the way. I’ve been there, too, and I share many of your personal shooting disclosures. Just doesn’t seem possible. Like the old saying goes: ‘Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.’
“I’m no sniper, but I’ve done a lot of shooting and am a decent shot. NO WAY I could’ve made the 2 Oswald shots. NO WAY. NOT EVEN CLOSE”
I have never been there but my uncle, WW II veteran and avid hunter, has and said he could have made the shots. More importantly, unless I am mistaken, this shot has been recreated (believe it has been on the Internet) with a similar firearm. By the way, have you tried to recreate the shot or is that just an opinion.
Of course.
Along with the entire Mormon Tabernacle Choir. And most of the rest of the population of the United States.
The senior Bush was in an SR-71 winging his way to Spain to confer with the Iranians on the captive release. Oh wait, that was another conspiracy.
BTW, I believe Oswald acted alone and that the Warren Commission did a crappy job. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.
No, it wasn’t Bush. But it WAS E. Howard Hunt that was arrested under an assumed name, posing as a bum behind the grassy knoll in the railway yard. He said (posthumously) that LBJ ordered the hit. It was Lee Oswald as the patsy and a pro hit man from France that pulled the triggers.
Here's what I THINK it is. I think somebody got the original Warren Commission Report and reprinted it. They may have told Ford's staff they were going to do this, and some junior staff member wrote up a generalized introduction acknowledging the controversial nature of the Report. It says the book comes with a copy of a photo of Ford signing the books, but doesn't show the photo. There's a possibility the photo is of Ford signing the original Warren Commission Report. Here's a blurb from the limited edition:
President Gerald R. Ford's final words on the assassination in this exclusive new foreword written when he was the final surviving member of the Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Definitive NEW information provided here exclusively! This leather bound, DELUXE Limited Edition was hand-signed by President Ford shortly before his death, and comes in a solid walnut, laser engraved, wooden box which also contains artifacts from the Oak Tree and White Picket Fence from the "Grassy Knoll!" Each copy is produced using the highest quality heirloom materials! ONLY 50 WERE EVER PRODUCED!Pieces of the oak tree and white picket fence? Also, it doesn't look like Ford actually signed the books. The signature looks like it's on a card inserted in the books. Check the web site here. Sorry guys, this screams scam.
90% of the stuff out there is BS, and the scam artists and goofballs have thrown so much stuff out I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.
Also, the time frame of the shots is not quite as tight as most people imagine. The clock starts when the first shot is completed (sound of the first shot is what starts the clock.) That means you have to get off the next two rounds in the time frame, as the first shot is completed by the time the clock starts.
Oswald wasn't an impressive marksman for a Marine, but that still means he was a professionally trained marksman who was far better than most.
Thanks for the prospective, now back to whimsy. I’ll bet George Gordan could have made the shots from either location.
Bush Sr. has been accused from time to time.
Strictly an opinion. I looked out the window, mock-sighted on the two shot locations, and tried to imagine a head-sized target. First impression: NO WAY! Second impression: NO WAY!
I'm not saying the shots are impossible, because as you mention, there have been some reconstructed shots. BUT, those reconstructions were done under perfect conditions, zero reason to be nervous, etc. The Kennedy shots could not have been more different: We're talking about real time, real nerves, no second chances, incredible adrenaline, all while shooting at the moving head of the president of the United States.
Sometimes things need to be looked at from a common sense perspective, and my common sense perspective (without value though it may be) is that a real-world pair of shots like that would have required a level of skill and cool that there is no evidence Oswald possessed.
Finally, the most interesting observation for ME? The grassy knoll is the IDEAL location. PERFECT line of fire. A fence to rest the rifle on. From there, I COULD make the shots. And once I picked the perfect shooter spot on the grassy knoll, I had this really nifty storm drain right beside my feet that led underground and away. I've never heard this issue discussed, so this storm drain may well be something that wasn't in place back then.
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“I had this really nifty storm drain right beside my feet that led underground and away. I’ve never heard this issue discussed, so this storm drain may well be something that wasn’t in place back then”
One of the problems I have had with the assassination theories is that there are so many of them, for parts to work many other parts have to be discarded. As for the shots, if they aren’t physically impossible I tend to accept them (barring overwhelming contradictory evidence) because a lot of people are dead from improbable shots from unskilled shooters and junk firearms (then there is the other extreme where a S&W misfires 2 or 3 times at pointblank range). As for your storm drain theory (I thought it sounded familiar) it was used in the X-Files episode, the smoking man character was from this theory (it was the Cubans in it). If you goggle “Kennedy assassination” and “storm drain” you will get number of hits including this Http://dallas.about.com/od/history/ig/JFK-Assassination/Smoking-Man-Drain.htm that shows a picture of your storm drain. It’s hard to tell the difference between misconduct (cover-up) and incompetence (Pres. Clinton often used this little slight of hand to his advantage). There are still conflicts about the Lincoln assassination so I guess this won’t be over soon.
You overestimate their difficulty. Besides, the evidence says it happened.
A tree was only in the way at the begining, and that might have something to do with the fact the first shot missed.
As for the rest, the rifle might be cheap but it was a working Italian military rifle. It was designed to do just what it did. The geometry actually helped Oswald, because the incline of the street and motion of the car in the field of view made it easier to hit the target, not harder.
Ruby was not a member of the Jewish or any other mafia.
His crime was also one of opportunity, and he was slightly insane. Something his friends and family knew. He acted on impulse, but he believed he would be hailed as a hero for killing the man who shot the President.
But no shots came from there. The evidence is only for two shots that hit, both from behind and above.
“I surprised he didn’t blame it on Bush.”
When Bush isn’t blamed they usually have the old standby Richard Nixon. Wikepedia implicated President Nixon in the Kennedy assisination and once had on its site that H.R. Haldeman was one of the shooters on the grassy knoll. It no longer appears on the site.
Hint: Oswald did it.
“It was NIXON!!”
He may have been the mastermind but it was G. Gordon Liddy on the grassy knoll.”
Wikepedia had HR Haldeman on the grassy knoll and since removed that from its website.
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