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To: Diocletian; montyspython; Bokababe; Ravnagora

“Diocletian” U-keep on trying...

Of the two dozen ethnic groups in Yugoslavia all had some collaborators with the Germans, except the Turks, but in contrast to the massive Croatian alliance with the Germans people like Jevdjevic were bit players. Croatian forces were no minor collaborators. The whole of “Independent Croatia” was a committed Nazi ally. Only Croats, Muslims and Albanians raised whole divisions for the 3rd Reich and fought in German ranks, as did French fascists, Belgian, Dutch, Danish and Norwegian units. Ljotic is no hero to the mass of Serbs; his motivation in any case was not to build a Third Reich but to prevent Germany’s decimation of the Serbs. Nedic is as disgraced in Serbian eyes as Petain in France. Neither Petain nor Nedic were Nazis. Pecanac is reviled by Serb Partizani. Djujic’s goal was not to join the Axis powers, but to prevent extermination – by Nazi Croatia – of the Serbs of Krajina, a territory which was never ethnically Croatian but subordinated to Croatian administration by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, to placate the Croats and forestall German domination. Before his alliance with Hitler Mussolini had supplied weapons to Austrian nationalists to prevent German annexation of Austria. Italy wanted civil war in Yugoslavia to further Italy’s goal of retaining Dalmatia and Istria. Italian generals supplied weapons to the Krajina Chetniks, who were not under Mihailovic’s command. He was in far-off Serbia, not Bosnia or “Croatia”. It is a geographic pipe dream to imagine Mihailovic marching his Chetniks from Serbia to Slovenia. Germans quit naming their babies Adolf after WW II. Croat babies today are baptized with the name of their Nazi Fuehrer (Poglavnik) Ante Pavelic. Serb halls in America have no paintings of any of the collaborators, while Croatian Cultural Centers are plastered with images of
WW II Nazi Croats. Mini-Hitler Pavelic is enshrined in the CRO pantheon.

Remember the WANTED posters? The Germans in occupied Serbia offered the same big rewards for the capture of Mihailovic as for Tito — “Captured Dead or Alive”. Now, when is Croatia going to sign a peace treaty with the USA? U declared war aginst America in 1941. U lost, but now U are back.


72 posted on 02/11/2009 11:00:29 AM PST by maher (Kuhner, Rakic)
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Of the two dozen ethnic groups in Yugoslavia all had some collaborators with the Germans, except the Turks, but in contrast to the massive Croatian alliance with the Germans people like Jevdjevic were bit players.

Jevdjevic was far from a "bit player".

Dobrosav Jevdjevic, a former member of the Skupstina, was made the official liason with the Italian forces by Draza in the Italian-occupied sector and therefore was the political head of all Chetnik units in the Italian zone alongside Ilija Trifunovic-Bircanin (who died during the war). Jevdjevic (who later fled to the USA after the war) was protected by the Italians from the Ustashi and was the main point man in regards to the legalization of the Chetniks as Italian MVAC units. Jevdjevic was next to Draza Mihailovic the most important Chetnik figure on the ground during WW2.

Ljotic is no hero to the mass of Serbs; his motivation in any case was not to build a Third Reich but to prevent Germany’s decimation of the Serbs. Nedic is as disgraced in Serbian eyes as Petain in France. Neither Petain nor Nedic were Nazis.

The point is that all these men collaborated from the get go after the capitulation, putting paid to the notion that Serbs were all anti-fascists.

Ljotic in particular is an interesting case because he kept ties to the Ravna Gora Movement and some of the leaders of that movement such as Djujic were his followers. In the dying days of the war, Ljotic and Mihailovic agreed to form a combined force that would approach Pavelic to create a "pan anti-communist front" against Tito since all three thought that the West would never allow Tito to gain power since he was a Commmunist.

Pecanac is reviled by Serb Partizani.

Kosta Pecanac was the head Chetnik during the interwar period and began collaboration from day one after the capitulation in 1941.

Djujic’s goal was not to join the Axis powers, but to prevent extermination – by Nazi Croatia – of the Serbs of Krajina, a territory which was never ethnically Croatian but subordinated to Croatian administration by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, to placate the Croats and forestall German domination.

LOL. Djujic never once fought the Axis and began collaboration from day one. He was an out and out collaborator. His units were made into Italian MVAC units. As for "extermination", that's funny since the Ustashi weren't allowed in those areas under Italian rule and the Chetniks instead were allowed to rule.

Plus, much of what you call "Krajina" was annexed by the Italians: places like Obrovac, Benkovac, Kistanje, etc. meaning that they were under Italian and not Croatian rule. Djujic was the most prominent outright collaborator of the Axis during WW2 which is why he had to be evacuated by the Nazis after the Partizans took Knin in 1944.

Italian generals supplied weapons to the Krajina Chetniks, who were not under Mihailovic’s command. He was in far-off Serbia, not Bosnia or “Croatia”.

They were under his nominal command as part of the JVuO. A lot of confusion stems from this fact. Serb propagandists want their cake and to eat it too when it comes to this issue. Jevdjevic and Trifunovic-Bircanin were the bridge between Draza and Djujic.

Croat babies today are baptized with the name of their Nazi Fuehrer (Poglavnik) Ante Pavelic.

Utter horseshit! Ante has long been one of the three most popular names in Croatia because St. Anthony of Padua (Sv. Ante Padovanski) is the patron saint of southern Croatians.

What an absolutely disgraceful smear from you.

Serb halls in America have no paintings of any of the collaborators, while Croatian Cultural Centers are plastered with images of WW II Nazi Croats.

Of course they do: Mihailovic, Djujic, Djurisic, etc.

Remember the WANTED posters? The Germans in occupied Serbia offered the same big rewards for the capture of Mihailovic as for Tito — “Captured Dead or Alive”.

And that ended when Draza began his overt collaboration later in the war.

Now, when is Croatia going to sign a peace treaty with the USA? U declared war aginst America in 1941. U lost, but now U are back.

The Republic of Croatia is the legal successor of the Socialist Republic of Croatia founded by ZAVNOH (WW2 Croatian Partisans) and not NDH.

75 posted on 02/11/2009 11:52:21 AM PST by Diocletian
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