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CALIFORNIA: Budget package stalls one vote shy
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/15/9 | Kevin Yamamura, Steve Wiegand and Jim Sanders

Posted on 02/15/2009 8:35:48 AM PST by SmithL

California's massive $40 billion-plus budget plan stalled in the Legislature early Sunday morning as Senate Republicans balked at a massive proposal containing $14.3 billion in new taxes.

After legislative leaders negotiated a tentative deal last week, the Senate wound up one vote shy of passing the budget plan, surprising those who believed Senate Republican Leader Dave Cogdill had locked up enough votes in his caucus.

Sen. Dave Cox, R-Fair Oaks, was widely believed to be the 27th Senate vote to pass the budget, but he stated early Sunday, "I'm not a prospect for voting for this budget." That sent Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger scrambling to negotiate with other Senate Republicans in search of one final vote.

Both legislative houses were pondering 27 hastily drafted bills that cover state budgets for two fiscal years: the current one that ends June 30 and the next one that begins July 1.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: budget; calbudget; davecox; goldenstate; policestate; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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Senate President Pro Tem, Darrell Steinberg sits on the floor while working to get one Republican vote needed to pass the budget early Sunday morning.
1 posted on 02/15/2009 8:35:48 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I take this to be good news. Am I correct?


2 posted on 02/15/2009 8:36:57 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Nothing is good news in Cal until we stop spending $12 billion a year on services for illegals.


3 posted on 02/15/2009 8:38:36 AM PST by nufsed
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To: nufsed

bingo...and that has never been addressed, by this gov or the previous few.


4 posted on 02/15/2009 8:41:47 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: abb

As a Californian, this is making my day this morning. I can’t believe being taxed in 5 new ways. . .including being taxed if you owe the state taxes? What does that mean? So people like me who change withholding to not get “refunds” are punished?

Maybe they realize people are changing withholding to avoid refunds since the refunds are now “IOUs.”

Good thing I don’t buy new cars (and never will); 2 of the 5 new taxes directly hurt people who buy new cars.


5 posted on 02/15/2009 8:43:24 AM PST by olivia3boys
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To: nufsed
Yep, the Golden State refuses to address the elephant in the room.

Funny thing is, all CA has to do is sell off-shore oil and gas leases to the energy companies and they'd be instantly halfway out of the hole.

6 posted on 02/15/2009 8:44:02 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If we did that and cut the illegal’s services, we’d be building roads,water projects, and cutting taxes. Open up that golden gate!


7 posted on 02/15/2009 8:45:30 AM PST by nufsed
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To: SmithL

Crooked politicians here in PA use the July 4th weekend to sneak through pay raises, tax increases etc.

So this long holiday weekend gives the CA gangsters a chance to do things hoping people aren’t paying attention.


8 posted on 02/15/2009 8:46:05 AM PST by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan.)
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To: SmithL

This budget bill raises every tax imaginable but doesn’t require the layoff of a single state employee. Once again the private sector is asked to make all the sacrifices. What a surprise.


9 posted on 02/15/2009 8:46:05 AM PST by blue state conservative
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To: SmithL
For once I don't feel betrayed.

I wonder how long that will last?

10 posted on 02/15/2009 8:46:06 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascsim one ruse at a time.)
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To: nufsed

Nothing is good news in Cal until we stop spending $12 billion a year on services for illegals.
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And it will NEVER stop until the radical liberal vote-mongers in the state legislature are removed from office and control. In three decades they have destroyed what was California, the leading model state in America, and turned it into Taxifornia. Forty BILLION bucks in debt and yes, spending over TEN BILLION PER YEAR to fund ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Just take a drive through Los Angeles nowadays. We residents of Taxifornia, remember the times when the state government, run by RESPONSIBLE CONSERVATIVES, was fighting over how to RETURN over three billion in excess taxation to the taxpaying citizens. When our schools were the BEST in the nation. When our demographics were acceptable and did not have to fear gangs in and around major cities.

Anything the liberals touch turns to $%^&. California has been no exception. And now they want us to pay for THEIR MALFEASANCE, CORRUPTION AND LAWBREAKING.


11 posted on 02/15/2009 8:47:52 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: olivia3boys

Olivia,

I think the income tax proposal is to take your annual income tax bill and multiply it by 1.05 or 1.025, depending on whether the state gets enough federal funding in Porkulus. It has nothing to do with how much you owe when you file taxes.


12 posted on 02/15/2009 8:48:33 AM PST by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: SmithL

Apparently that RINO idiot Arnold thinks a billion dollars in new taxes automatically equals a billion dollars in increased revenues. Then he’ll sit back slack jawed as revenues crash, businesses fail and working people flee the state.


13 posted on 02/15/2009 8:49:14 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: SmithL
OK, let's face facts. First off, Arnold was never Conservative. He was just better than Bustemante. Secondly, this state has been in complete control of the Rats since motor-voter went into effect in the latter 90’s. The ONE thing that we could do to change this is to enact a law that would require ID at the polling places. This, of course, will never happen as long as the Rats have a stranglehold on the State offices. Their voter base is largely illegals and as long as the Rats keep giving our money to them the Rats will remain in power.
14 posted on 02/15/2009 8:52:29 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye
He was just better than Bustemante.

Bzzzzt. Wrong.

15 posted on 02/15/2009 8:53:44 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: SmithL

Good for the California GOP but they will eventually get rolled.

The real power in this State is the public employee unions; not the legislature or governor.


16 posted on 02/15/2009 8:56:11 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: SmithL
Well whaddya know. California pubbies get spine!

Here's a message for my representatives: cut, cut, cut.

17 posted on 02/15/2009 8:56:25 AM PST by GVnana
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To: Mojave
Bustemante would have been better? I know that you probably supported McClintock but his recent tight Congressional race showed that he couldn't have won a statewide race. A vote for McClintock would have been a vote for Bustemante. Go ahead, have at me.
18 posted on 02/15/2009 8:57:08 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Mojave
He was just better than Bustemante. Bzzzzt. Wrong.

No. Schwarzenegger really was better than Bustamante.

19 posted on 02/15/2009 8:58:27 AM PST by GVnana
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To: EagleUSA
When I moved to California back in the 1970’s, its education system was the model for the country. The state universities and community colleges were especially outstanding.

Now it's all gone to hell. We've been overrun by illegal aliens and they're still coming here in droves as Mexico continues to collapse. The voters passed Proposition 187 years ago to deny them benefits, but a liberal judge stopped it, and nothing more has been heard about it since.

I'm looking to spend my retirement years someplace else, like Idaho or Oklahoma.

20 posted on 02/15/2009 9:00:51 AM PST by Deo volente (High Noon, January 20, 2009: Our long national nightmare begins.)
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To: Deo volente

” It is part of the Communist doctrine and drillbook, laid down by Lenin himself, that Communists should aid all movements towards the Left and help into office weak Constitutional, Radical or Socialist governments. These they should undermine, and from their falling hands snatch absolute power, and found the Marxist state. “

Winston Churchill - The Gathering Storm. Houghton Mifflin Company, NY. 1948. p 191.


21 posted on 02/15/2009 9:03:27 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Deo volente
Us, too. We have been here 19 years and, sad to say, California may win in driving us out this year. The one upside to all this Socialism? When the USA is as crappy a place to live as all the other Socialist countries people will stop coming here illegally. Why bother?
22 posted on 02/15/2009 9:06:49 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: SmithL

Darrell Steinberg never met a tax he didn’t want to impose or a private property right he didn’t want to eliminate. He’s a slimy little commie. God bless you Dave Cox for not caving in to the RINOs in Sacramento.


23 posted on 02/15/2009 9:09:26 AM PST by gorilla_warrior
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To: Mojave

Bustemante would have been far worst than Schwarzenegger. Arnold throws use crumbs from time to time. Bustemante would be trying to end bilingual education in are schools Spanish only. You want a drivers licenses learn to speak Spanish.


24 posted on 02/15/2009 9:09:33 AM PST by ThomasThomas ( Accept it, there is no except after in math.)
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To: olivia3boys
2 of the 5 new taxes directly hurt people who buy new cars.

That would be the un-stimulus bill for the auto industry, huh? Can anyone tell me who died and left the Democrats in charge of our economy?

25 posted on 02/15/2009 9:15:56 AM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here's how we turn that tide.

Vouchers for schools.

Privatize 2 prisons and then more after it's shows how much money can be saved.

Restrict public emloyee unions from contributing to public officials who vote on or negotiate their contracts. Currently, we have an inherent bribery system.

Require that publc employees be informed that they can withhiold the part of their union dues which go to political activism.

26 posted on 02/15/2009 9:16:37 AM PST by nufsed
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To: SmithL
Call Dave Cox and hanks him for standing strong.
Dave Cadgill needs to be tarred and feathered and driven from his leadership spot. Send the traitor back to Fresno .
Arnold political career is finished too.
27 posted on 02/15/2009 9:17:12 AM PST by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: Deo volente
One correction. Gay Davis stopped 187 when he decided not to appeal the one judge's decision. This was the pivotal decision of his term.

We need to pass new laws based upon Arizona's which has been tested in court and challenge the illegals to fight it out in court. Starting with challenging their standing to file such a case.

28 posted on 02/15/2009 9:19:26 AM PST by nufsed
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To: originalbuckeye
I know that you probably supported McClintock but his recent tight Congressional race showed that he couldn't have won a statewide race.

Wrong. The congressional race was as close as it was because the CA republican party leaders were against McClintock. When he wins, he does it without any help from those turncoats.

29 posted on 02/15/2009 9:19:45 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Sarah's my girl! Palin 2012)
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To: originalbuckeye
Bustemante would have been better?

Changing your story already? You originally claimed Bustamante would have been worse. Arnold has even managed to make Grey Davis look like a fiscal conservative when you compare the two economies. Your retarded RINO is the worst governor in California history.

And your contention that the Rats were in complete control of the budget is false. Look up "line item veto." Your guy Arnold is apparently too dull witted to do so.

30 posted on 02/15/2009 9:21:15 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: ThomasThomas
Bustemante would have been far worst than Schwarzenegger.

False.

31 posted on 02/15/2009 9:23:30 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: SmithL

re: Budget package stalls one vote shy

“Will a Mr. Specter, Ms. Snow or Ms. Collins please pickup the nearest white page telephone....”


32 posted on 02/15/2009 9:24:17 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: CAluvdubya
The congressional race was as close as it was because the CA republican party leaders were against McClintock. When he wins, he does it without any help from those turncoats.

That's why the RINO's hate him. He owes them nothing.

33 posted on 02/15/2009 9:25:22 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: Mojave
Arnold is not my guy. And your contention that I changed my story is false. Did you not see the question mark at the end?

Arnold IS better than Bustemante would have been. I'm done on this thread.

34 posted on 02/15/2009 9:26:50 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye
Did you not see the question mark at the end?

Do you know what a non sequitur is?

Arnold IS better than Bustemante would have been. I'm done on this thread.

Translation: Don't confuse me with facts!

35 posted on 02/15/2009 9:29:40 AM PST by Mojave (Barack Obama is a joke)
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To: blue state conservative
Once again the private sector is asked to make all the sacrifices. What a surprise.

Shameless plug ALERT.

What an amazing coincidence!

You might be interested in this vanity on the subject which I just finished about five minutes ago.

Cheers!

36 posted on 02/15/2009 9:32:32 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Mojave

Exactly!


37 posted on 02/15/2009 9:35:38 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Sarah's my girl! Palin 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The real power in this State is the public employee unions; not the legislature or governor.

Nor the people. But we do have the initiative process and the recall process. It is time to dust those off.

38 posted on 02/15/2009 9:39:18 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: abb
I take this to be good news. Am I correct?

Not if you belive that advancing Fabian Socialism is a good thing. They'll pick off one more vote and grow government at well above inflation and population growth for the tenth year in a row.

39 posted on 02/15/2009 9:40:07 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: nufsed

“Here’s how we turn that tide.”

Wrong - Here’s how we turn the tide...ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION. Until we do that everything else is hot air.

The constitution was written for a moral and religious society...the constitution will not work for a country that is not moral and religious. John Adams


40 posted on 02/15/2009 9:40:51 AM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: thesharkboy

” It has nothing to do with how much you owe when you file taxes.”

It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.


41 posted on 02/15/2009 9:42:58 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.

Combined with a reduction in the deduction allowed for dependents (reduced from $300 to $100) so that you're more likely to owe money that can then have the surtax applied to it.

42 posted on 02/15/2009 9:50:15 AM PST by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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California is an experiment replacing legal citizens with illegal ones.


43 posted on 02/15/2009 9:55:02 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: dalereed
It’s a 5% sur tax if you owe money when you file your tax return.

No. It's a 5% surcharge on your TOTAL state income tax liability. Your liability is covered through withholding, quarterly estimated tax payments or a check you send in with your Form540 on April 15th.

44 posted on 02/15/2009 9:56:29 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Of course it’s on the total but if you don’t owe anything at the end of the year it doesn’t apply, only if you owe.


45 posted on 02/15/2009 10:01:35 AM PST by dalereed
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For Californians and those interested in what’s going on in Sacramento join the ‘Head On A Stick’ Tax Revolt here:

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/

Listen, or stream the show, live coverage of the Budget mess monday through friday this coming week at 3pm pacific.

If it passes with the tax increases, the campaign will be continued!


46 posted on 02/15/2009 10:02:00 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: originalbuckeye
Arnold was never Conservative. He was just better than Bustemante

In what way? Bustemante was the only democrat I've ever voted for in my life. I wasn't really voting 'for' him; but it works out the same in the end. Schwarzenegger has been nothing but a disaster, I would have done anything to get rid of him.

47 posted on 02/15/2009 10:07:58 AM PST by eclecticEel (Wall Street isn't a charity ... so why are we giving them money?)
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To: dalereed

I’m sorry, sir... but you are wrong.

Let’s say you made $50,000 last year and your state income tax liability was $2,000.

Over the course of the year your employer withheld $1,900 from your paycheck for California State Income tax withholding - and you owe $100 when you file your taxes.

The surcharge would be 5% of $2,000 ($100), NOT 5% of $100 ($5)


48 posted on 02/15/2009 10:09:25 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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To: SmithL

The Senate’s back at it, the Assembly meets at 1pm.


49 posted on 02/15/2009 10:10:41 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs)
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To: So Cal Rocket

That’s exactly what I said!

iF YOU HAVE PAID ENOUGH DURRING THE YEAR THAT YOU DON’T OWE ANYTHING WITH YOUR RETURN THERE IS NO 5% PENALTY.

If you owe one cent there is a 5% surcharge on the entire tax amount.

BTW, go straight to hell!


50 posted on 02/15/2009 10:15:50 AM PST by dalereed
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