Posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Surtsey still surprises
by David Catchpoole
After the island of Surtsey was born of a huge undersea volcanic eruption off Iceland in 1963,1 geologists were astonished at what they found.
As one wrote: ‘On Surtsey, only a few months sufficed for a landscape to be created which was so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief.’2
There were wide sandy beaches, gravel banks, impressive cliffs, soft undulating land, faultscarps, gullies and channels and ‘boulders worn by the surf (see picture left), some of which were almost round, on an abrasion platform cut into the cliff.’2 And all of this despite the ‘extreme youth’3 of the island!
The geologists’ surprise is understandable, given the modern thinking that young Surtsey’s ‘varied and mature’ features ought to have needed long periods of time—millions of years—to form....
(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...
Obviously Rolf is confounded by all of God's word, and assumes undiscernable allegory as a defense of his befuddlement.
There is no allegory in God's word that is not announced in advance.
It’s all rock ‘n roll to me!
But if life appeared suddenly, if complicated life forms arose without eons of evolutionary change, if a rutabaga will never become a rabbit, then evolution doesn't function and cannot be a leg of support to anything else.
That would be unthinkable. After all Gould said one could question the how but never the fact of evolution.
But has not evolution been demonstrated as fact to a point where, in Gould's words, it would be “perverse” to believe otherwise?
No. Someone picking up a piece of skull and saying it is millions of years old and constructing an imaginary body for it down to the hair and skin color is perverse.
Add to the above the forming of species by natural selection when there is no definition of a species beyond what the Bible describes as a “kind”.
What the young earth believe is their affair. Darwinism is no alternative and has the added failing of being materialist at it's core
“Exodus plainly states that Torah was written on stone by the finger of YHWH”
That’s the Ten Commandments; not the whole Torah.
Genesis, as well as most other parts of the Bible were written by divinely inspired men. The only parts that you can be absolutely assured are exact translations from the Divine are those passages where He tells a prophet exactly what to say, and the words of Christ.
Perhaps so, I have hope for you anyway and thatain’tajoke !
No, not just the ten commandments, but the entire Torah.
Well, your example is a very good one. The sixth commandment, properly translated and understood, is
“Thou shall not murder.”
Significant? You Bet!
“God made sure that, through those who recorded his Inspired word, the meaning of His Word was not lost.”
AGREED 100% ! The meaning of His word is not corrupted, but men corrupt that meaning in their own minds when they refuse to see the full truth beyond the words.
Why is it so threatening to you to acknowledge that perhaps Moses’s retelling of creation is a shortened version of an immense process taking eons? The essential truth is: God created everything seen and unseen on Earth and Heaven! That He did it in 6 Earth days is NOT an article of our Faith! If you think it is, you're “straining at gnats!”
As I said before, what we learn by way of science, cannot be in conflict with the TRUTH. God created the physical world, and we are expected to learn about it, and thereby Him. If what we learn from the physical world SEEMS to contradict scripture, it is because we have misunderstood either God's revelation to us in scripture, or misunderstood the physical evidence.
Right now, at this point in time, MOST of the evidence points to a very old Earth by Man's reckoning.
LOL Bingo!
"There is no allegory in God's word that is not announced in advance."
You need to spend more time reading the Good Book my FRiend; especially the New Testament, where Christ says several times the meanings are hidden from those wise in the eyes of the world.
eg: "I Am the bread of life."
You are the guy that they are hidden from!
Will you liars ever tire of this strawman?
Nothing in real biology, nor real geology, have anything to do with your insane drivel.
You’re mistaken. Reread it for yourself.
“The meaning of His word is not corrupted, but men corrupt that meaning in their own minds when they refuse to see the full truth beyond the words.” [excerpt]Or when they try to get Genesis to fit their preconceived ideas how God must have done things.
“Why is it so threatening to you to acknowledge that perhaps Moses’s retelling of creation is a shortened version of an immense process taking eons?” [excerpt]Why is it so threatening to you to acknowledge that perhaps Moses' record of the Creation is accurate and that it only took 6 days like God said it did?
“If what we learn from the physical world SEEMS to contradict scripture, it is because we have misunderstood either God's revelation to us in scripture, or misunderstood the physical evidence.” [excerpt]And if our faith in the physical evidence as interpreted by some 'scientist' [who may have a vested interest in undermining our faith] is greater than our faith in God's Word, then we compromise the Bible.
“Right now, at this point in time, MOST of the evidence points to a very old Earth by Man's reckoning.” [excerpt]At least the evidence you accept.
ES, it is telling how you avoid answering the points I make.
Ad Hominem attacks are the sign of someone who lacks countering facts.
Seriously, may I suggest that we all pray for more wisdom about this. Dissension among His faithful (especially over petty issues) is cannot pleasing to the Lord.
“No need to shout. We’re right here.”You DC'ers obsession with FR ain't good for ya'll.
Considering the Colorado Delta used to cover nearly 2 million acres, I'd say that's a pretty flimsy argument on your part. Just because it's hard to tell there is a delta there now because the entire river is diverted before it reaches the Sea of Cortez does not mean there is not a broad area of delta sediments.
“While I certainly fully support my friends over there, you'll also note I haven't posted there but for one week in October 2006 -” [excerpt]If you're going to say that you 'fully support' your 'friends' over there, maybe you should actually hang out over there and keep track of what they are saying.
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