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Said JS1138: So what do you think of people who repost stuff that’s been deleted by the mods? Like your post #234?

Js, my post was removed for specific technical reasons - and not because of any ill behavior on my part nor because of the content of the post - and I only reposted after communicating with the mod, and correcting the specific technical issues, and getting permission to repost it - hence the note at the top indicating that it was all fixed up now.

There was nothing disruptive about it nor did I intentionally do anything against the will of the mods!

By the way, you haven’t demonstrated that I have ever done that. I certainly didn’t do it during the DaveLoneRanger debate. I posted the link to that and to my “top secret thread.”

I couldn't find the link that you posted. Could you kindly point me to it?

Anyway, I was never claiming that you had actually reposted a deleted thread or whatever - but that you had, as Fichori alleged, partook in "organizing disruptive activity" -- and what I did prove is that yes, you indeed had been involved in organizing disruptive activity!

As you know, you didn't have to actually personally do any disruptive actions in order to organize others who were doing such!

-Jesse

Here's the link to the DaveLoneRanger debate. Let's take my evil conspiratorial postings line by line, shall we:

I started a top secret thread in chat to document just the posts by the debaters. Dave has had plenty of time to comment on this thread without actually debating.

I'm thinking Dave is seeing this debate as a fifty page term paper for the meanest teacher ever. But that's what peer review is.

Search "the debate continues" on FR. I can't hide it, but I didn't ping anybody. Ryan is doing something similar on his blog.

I'd just as soon keep it under wraps until the regular debate moves or fizzles. If Dave tries to say the main debate thread has been hopelessly corrupted, we can start bumping the clean one.

Hmmm. I wonder what that's all about? Here's my top secret thread. In it we see that I pinged DaveLoneRanger and aigbusted, the two debaters. It's riveting stuff, this conspiracy.

OK. Let's get to the good stuff, the part about saving stuff that might be deleted...

I have the debate part of the thread saved at home. If they delete the original thread, I have a backup already posted. If they delete that, I'll post it again. If they ban me, I'll post it here.

In the meantime, we'll just keep bumping the original thread.

Wow. that's truely evil. Saving a transcript of a debate.

Now why would I do that? Perhaps because the debate thread turned into a flame war, and such threads were often deleted. You may note, however, that I didn't save the flame war in my top secret thread, just the posts by the two debaters.

How evil I am.

So evil that I tried to save the content of a debate without all the snide comments from spectators. If you go even further back in my evil career you will find that I have been consistent in this, FR does not have software that can host a debate between two people without interference from outsiders, and I have often suggested taking debates to some site where just the participants could duke it out.

As you know, you didn't have to actually personally do any disruptive actions in order to organize others who were doing such!

My posts are right there for everyone to see. Google is not a substitute for thinking. The threads I worried about being deleted were not deleted and are still there, including all my posts.

I guarantee you that many evolution threads were deleted, and it was not an idle concern. This was, and remains, the only attempt at a formal debate at FR on the subject. Since it still exists, there's no need for anyone to make claims about who won. It's all there for you to read and to form your own opinion. You can also form your opinion of whether my participation was particularly disruptive.