tcrlaf, I think the quote you posted on the Jim Quinn thread is appropriate here?
“This quote explains EVERYTHING that Obama is trying to do:”
“Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive,
affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people.
They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost,
so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.
This acceptance is the reformation essential to any Socialist revolution.
-Fyodor DOSTOYEVSKY
Barbarians never overthrow civilisations; they only inherit the decaying remnants when the denizens of an exhausted civilisation no longer have the self-respect to challenge the barbarians for control.